Pentax can't do action or low light...

Pentax can't do action or low light... · 09:53 AM

K10, kit 18-55 (don't ask...), 35mm, 1/160, f9, ISO 400, Flash

mcleoud151 · 10-01-2008, 09:55 AM

mcleoud151 · 10-01-2008, 10:15 AM

K10D, Sigma 70-200 ex dg, 1/500 @ f8., 100mm, ISO 200.

Leaf Fan · 10-01-2008, 10:19 AM

Nice shots. Good post.

Gooshin · 10-01-2008, 10:31 AM

good shots (especially like the second one, good panning)

but i will have to disagree with the title...

your first shot has flash, so, there goes the low light statement

your second two photos have so much light in them, that you are getting really fast shutter speeds at ISO 200's and Fstops of 32!! and 8!!!

when people say "low light sports shooting", its when you are shooting F2.8 at ISO1600-3200 just to get a shutter speed fast enough to freeze movement, if you're lucky, while trying to focus.

mcleoud151 · 10-01-2008, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

good shots (especially like the second one, good panning)

but i will have to disagree with the title...

your first shot has flash, so, there goes the low light statement

your second two photos have so much light in them, that you are getting really fast shutter speeds at ISO 200's and Fstops of 32!! and 8!!!

when people say "low light sports shooting", its when you are shooting F2.8 at ISO1600-3200 just to get a shutter speed fast enough to freeze movement, if you're lucky.

]The first shot, with the flash? That doesn't help AF. Not at all. So...that's not an issue..and my fstop was f8[edit...typo]. The big gripe about Pentax is the AF, especially in low light. IT was almost dark. I think that qualifies. Second, lots of folks complain you can't shoot sports well with Pentax. Two of those photos were published in national magazines. Soooo?

Thanks, though, for the props.

Who really shoots at 1600 to 3200 ISO? Maybe for indy or something, except they have tons of light as well. even with a FF, the noise in a shot like that is gonna' be substantial when it comes to putting it on the cover.

legacyb4 · 10-01-2008, 10:45 AM

Regardless of what qualifies as "low light" or "action", those are great action shots.

Out of curiosity, what focus (auto, point, or pre focus and single or continous) were you using?

mcleoud151 · 10-01-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by legacyb4

Regardless of what qualifies as "low light" or "action", those are great action shots.

Out of curiosity, what focus (auto, point, or pre focus and single or continous) were you using?

Thanks! All AFC, but the night shot I think I locked the focus just to be sure. I use single point focus almost exclusively, usually selective.

deejjjaaaa · 10-01-2008, 11:09 AM

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Isaac314 · 10-01-2008, 11:55 AM

These are awesome photos! great work!

nulla · 10-01-2008, 12:33 PM

All great shots

Any cropping?

Neil

daacon · 10-01-2008, 01:01 PM

Those are the anti-commercial for that right ? Very well done.

**Douglas_of_Sweden** · 10-01-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by mcleoud151

K10, kit 18-55 (don't ask...), 35mm, 1/160, f9, ISO 400, Flash

Yes, it is obvious from your lousy photos that "Pentax can't do action or low light...", especially with such a lousy kit lens

But actually very impressive. I bet that in that environment it does not hurt to have a sealed camera either, right? Must be a lot of mud and dust flying around.

Some observations: people making such claims as "Pentax can't do action or low light" appears to systematically forget how people in film days before autofocus still managed to take action shots and shoot in low light. I'm sure that your success here to an important part is not due to your Pentax gear, or not alone to your Pentax gear, but to how you use its strength and avoid its weakness and think ahead of the action in the action scene, predict and plan where you need the focus to be. I cannot help suspect that even if it is clear that fast autofocus is not a high priority of Pentax (except now with the new K-m?), a lot of the people complaining over their bad results are just lacking the necessary skill, and would not have done better with a camera of another brand (I'm saying a lot, not all, so you who believe you have the skill and feel your Pentax fail you, are free to count yourself outside the group I'm talking about). Another observation is that those seriously claiming "Pentax can't do action or low light..." relatively rarely submit pictures to support their statements, and even more rarely submit comparable pictures with that other system they claim would be better. Your photos does not prove that Pentax have the best gear our there for "action or low light", but they sure show you can do very well in those situations with Pentax gear.

mithrandir · 10-01-2008, 01:22 PM

Come on, admit it, you faked it all in a warehouse with cables (removed in post process) and green screen. Just like the 1969 Moon Landing. LOL!!!

Great shots, showing no action as they are frozen. You nailed them...good.

Rener · 10-01-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by mcleoud151

K10, kit 18-55 (don't ask...), 35mm, 1/160, f9, ISO 400, Flash

WOW, these are amazing shots,congrats. Of course there are those who can't get a good shot of a moving turtle or their 2 yr old kid and blame the camera. Thanks for sharing.

cheers,

rene

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10-01-2008, 09:55 AM	#2
mcleoud151 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Photos: Gallery Posts: 272 Original Poster

10-01-2008, 10:15 AM	#3
mcleoud151 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Photos: Gallery Posts: 272 Original Poster	K10D, Sigma 70-200 ex dg, 1/500 @ f8., 100mm, ISO 200.

10-01-2008, 10:19 AM	#4
Leaf Fan Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada eh! Photos: Gallery Posts: 673	Nice shots. Good post.

10-01-2008, 10:31 AM	#5
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	good shots (especially like the second one, good panning) but i will have to disagree with the title... your first shot has flash, so, there goes the low light statement your second two photos have so much light in them, that you are getting really fast shutter speeds at ISO 200's and Fstops of 32!! and 8!!! when people say "low light sports shooting", its when you are shooting F2.8 at ISO1600-3200 just to get a shutter speed fast enough to freeze movement, if you're lucky, while trying to focus.

10-01-2008, 10:37 AM	#6
mcleoud151 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Photos: Gallery Posts: 272 Original Poster	Originally posted by Gooshin good shots (especially like the second one, good panning) but i will have to disagree with the title... your first shot has flash, so, there goes the low light statement your second two photos have so much light in them, that you are getting really fast shutter speeds at ISO 200's and Fstops of 32!! and 8!!! when people say "low light sports shooting", its when you are shooting F2.8 at ISO1600-3200 just to get a shutter speed fast enough to freeze movement, if you're lucky. ]The first shot, with the flash? That doesn't help AF. Not at all. So...that's not an issue..and my fstop was f8[edit...typo]. The big gripe about Pentax is the AF, especially in low light. IT was almost dark. I think that qualifies. Second, lots of folks complain you can't shoot sports well with Pentax. Two of those photos were published in national magazines. Soooo? Thanks, though, for the props. Who really shoots at 1600 to 3200 ISO? Maybe for indy or something, except they have tons of light as well. even with a FF, the noise in a shot like that is gonna' be substantial when it comes to putting it on the cover.

10-01-2008, 10:45 AM	#7
legacyb4 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tri-Cities, British Columbia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,784	Regardless of what qualifies as "low light" or "action", those are great action shots. Out of curiosity, what focus (auto, point, or pre focus and single or continous) were you using?

10-01-2008, 10:58 AM	#8
mcleoud151 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Photos: Gallery Posts: 272 Original Poster	Originally posted by legacyb4 Regardless of what qualifies as "low light" or "action", those are great action shots. Out of curiosity, what focus (auto, point, or pre focus and single or continous) were you using? Thanks! All AFC, but the night shot I think I locked the focus just to be sure. I use single point focus almost exclusively, usually selective.

10-01-2008, 11:09 AM	#9
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	IMGP5884.jpg IMGP7999.jpg IMGP8566.jpg

10-01-2008, 11:55 AM	#10
Isaac314 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London Photos: Gallery Posts: 417	These are awesome photos! great work!

10-01-2008, 12:33 PM	#11
nulla Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 1,560	All great shots Any cropping? Neil

10-01-2008, 01:01 PM	#12
daacon Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alberta,Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 20,914	Those are the anti-commercial for that right ? Very well done.

10-01-2008, 01:13 PM	#13
Douglas_of_Sweden Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Stockholm Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,374	Originally posted by mcleoud151 K10, kit 18-55 (don't ask...), 35mm, 1/160, f9, ISO 400, Flash Yes, it is obvious from your lousy photos that "Pentax can't do action or low light...", especially with such a lousy kit lens But actually very impressive. I bet that in that environment it does not hurt to have a sealed camera either, right? Must be a lot of mud and dust flying around. Some observations: people making such claims as "Pentax can't do action or low light" appears to systematically forget how people in film days before autofocus still managed to take action shots and shoot in low light. I'm sure that your success here to an important part is not due to your Pentax gear, or not alone to your Pentax gear, but to how you use its strength and avoid its weakness and think ahead of the action in the action scene, predict and plan where you need the focus to be. I cannot help suspect that even if it is clear that fast autofocus is not a high priority of Pentax (except now with the new K-m?), a lot of the people complaining over their bad results are just lacking the necessary skill, and would not have done better with a camera of another brand (I'm saying a lot, not all, so you who believe you have the skill and feel your Pentax fail you, are free to count yourself outside the group I'm talking about). Another observation is that those seriously claiming "Pentax can't do action or low light..." relatively rarely submit pictures to support their statements, and even more rarely submit comparable pictures with that other system they claim would be better. Your photos does not prove that Pentax have the best gear our there for "action or low light", but they sure show you can do very well in those situations with Pentax gear.

10-01-2008, 01:22 PM	#14
mithrandir Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,895	Come on, admit it, you faked it all in a warehouse with cables (removed in post process) and green screen. Just like the 1969 Moon Landing. LOL!!! Great shots, showing no action as they are frozen. You nailed them...good.

10-01-2008, 01:44 PM	#15
Rener Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 292	Originally posted by mcleoud151 K10, kit 18-55 (don't ask...), 35mm, 1/160, f9, ISO 400, Flash WOW, these are amazing shots,congrats. Of course there are those who can't get a good shot of a moving turtle or their 2 yr old kid and blame the camera. Thanks for sharing. cheers, rene