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This shot has been Z'd (1 B+W img) · 10:40 AM

I went for a walk and decided to try using RAW. Can I tell you how much I hate working with RAW! Of course this has a lot to do with the fact that I don't really know much about working with RAW files but for me at this point of my photographic adventures I don't really find RAW to be more beneficial than Jpegs. Perhaps a good book and some reading will change my mind in the future.

Here's a shot of Downtown Toronto with the Zenitar.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/441319410_925f52732c_o.jpg

mediaslinky · 04-01-2007, 10:41 AM

Very nice. Love the lens effect. Great B&W conversion, too.

Alvin · 04-01-2007, 10:57 AM

I have an inkling, I think I know what bridge you were on

Great shot!

Photochop · 04-02-2007, 08:39 AM

Thanks Mediaslinky

I appreciate your comments.

Alvin, of course you know which bridge it is, if you didn't I'd ask if you were coming down with a fever

Thanks for looking and commenting

hanamai · 04-02-2007, 08:46 AM

Lovely shot.

I lust for a fisheye

tipentax38 · 04-02-2007, 01:14 PM

phooshop: i share your opinion about raw

**NaClH2O** · 04-02-2007, 01:27 PM

Hi V. Great shot. If you have either photoshop or photoshop elements, here is a very good book on raw.
"Real World Camera Raw with Photoshop version _______ " by Bruce Fraser

NaCl(love the B&W conversion too)H2O

Photochop · 04-03-2007, 10:03 AM

Thanks Hanamai

Whatchya waitin' for? Just get the lens, you know you'll sleep better at night once you have it

Tipentax, so I'm not the only one huh? :ugh:

Salty, thanks for the info! I'll have to go to the local library or bookstore to check it out sometime soon. Thanks for commenting

little laker · 04-03-2007, 10:42 AM

I like the effect as well, I've added a fisheye to my list although more for fun than anything.

I've been shooting in RAW for several months now, but since I'm almost nailing the shot right in the camera I'm thinking of starting to shoot JPG's again instead. It's just often too tough downloading pictures to friends computers when your dealing in RAW.

GLThorne · 04-03-2007, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Photochop

Can I tell you how much I hate working with RAW!

I hear ya! I guess I haven't moved into that stage as well. I find myself putting it back in RAW but after a few moments at the computer playing, I put it back on J-PEG ***. Also, maybe I did something wrong, but I tested a series in both RAW and J-PEG. My J-PEG versions came out much better, more contrast, sharper, less grain, than anything I could do with the RAW files. Probably me.

Oh, and great shot. You're right - if Alvin didn't know this, I'd think it wasn't him!!!

Photochop · 04-03-2007, 01:34 PM

Thanks little laker

The fisheye is definitely a fun lens to use! I think everyone should have one, especially for those time when we feel uninspired, the FE always comes through...for me at least

Thanks Greg

Yep, the RAW thing is just too "raw" for my taste and knowledge at this point. Because of my lack of knowledge in that area I find that the pictures are extremely soft, which I understand that is something "pros" crave for so that have more control over the final sharpness but I'm not that good at the sharpening technique yet. And I agree with you, the difference is minimal if any at all, but then again I've seen some outstanding RAW files where the dynamic range is better and the highlights are recovered provided they weren't blown out. I just don't know how to do that! grrrr...

I just like getting home, popping the card into the laptop, sorting through what I like, deleting what I don't and working on them in PS. Easy as 123! Back to Jpeg *** +1 sharpness for me. Now I'm off to frustrate myself some more with HDR

khardur · 04-03-2007, 02:12 PM

great shot!

The most useful thing about RAW (to me) is being able to control the alter the white balance easily, as a lot of times I'm shooting in strange light (like those ugly mercury vapor things that light up most towns).

-Dan

Photochop · 04-04-2007, 09:21 AM

Thanks Dan!

There are definitely some really neat thing you can do with RAW, I find the exposure setting really handy and easier to work with than levels or curves in PS. As for white balance, coming from a point and shoot, it took me a while to get used to changing it every time the lighting changed but it has now become second nature to me. Besides, I'm a "chimper"

I almost always review what I have shot.

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04-01-2007, 10:41 AM	#2
mediaslinky Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 373	Very nice. Love the lens effect. Great B&W conversion, too.

04-01-2007, 10:57 AM	#3
Alvin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,517	I have an inkling, I think I know what bridge you were on Great shot!

04-02-2007, 08:39 AM	#4
Photochop Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 455 Original Poster	Thanks Mediaslinky I appreciate your comments. Alvin, of course you know which bridge it is, if you didn't I'd ask if you were coming down with a fever Thanks for looking and commenting

04-02-2007, 08:46 AM	#5
hanamai Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Florida, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 202	Lovely shot. I lust for a fisheye

04-02-2007, 01:14 PM	#6
tipentax38 Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: FRANCE Posts: 146	phooshop: i share your opinion about raw

04-02-2007, 01:27 PM	#7
NaClH2O Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bronx NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,631	Hi V. Great shot. If you have either photoshop or photoshop elements, here is a very good book on raw. "Real World Camera Raw with Photoshop version _______ " by Bruce Fraser NaCl(love the B&W conversion too)H2O

04-03-2007, 10:03 AM	#8
Photochop Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 455 Original Poster	Thanks Hanamai Whatchya waitin' for? Just get the lens, you know you'll sleep better at night once you have it Tipentax, so I'm not the only one huh? :ugh: Salty, thanks for the info! I'll have to go to the local library or bookstore to check it out sometime soon. Thanks for commenting

04-03-2007, 10:42 AM	#9
little laker Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,697	I like the effect as well, I've added a fisheye to my list although more for fun than anything. I've been shooting in RAW for several months now, but since I'm almost nailing the shot right in the camera I'm thinking of starting to shoot JPG's again instead. It's just often too tough downloading pictures to friends computers when your dealing in RAW.

04-03-2007, 11:11 AM	#10
GLThorne Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA - South Carolina Photos: Gallery Posts: 372	Originally posted by Photochop Can I tell you how much I hate working with RAW! I hear ya! I guess I haven't moved into that stage as well. I find myself putting it back in RAW but after a few moments at the computer playing, I put it back on J-PEG ***. Also, maybe I did something wrong, but I tested a series in both RAW and J-PEG. My J-PEG versions came out much better, more contrast, sharper, less grain, than anything I could do with the RAW files. Probably me. Oh, and great shot. You're right - if Alvin didn't know this, I'd think it wasn't him!!!

04-03-2007, 01:34 PM	#11
Photochop Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 455 Original Poster	Thanks little laker The fisheye is definitely a fun lens to use! I think everyone should have one, especially for those time when we feel uninspired, the FE always comes through...for me at least Thanks Greg Yep, the RAW thing is just too "raw" for my taste and knowledge at this point. Because of my lack of knowledge in that area I find that the pictures are extremely soft, which I understand that is something "pros" crave for so that have more control over the final sharpness but I'm not that good at the sharpening technique yet. And I agree with you, the difference is minimal if any at all, but then again I've seen some outstanding RAW files where the dynamic range is better and the highlights are recovered provided they weren't blown out. I just don't know how to do that! grrrr... I just like getting home, popping the card into the laptop, sorting through what I like, deleting what I don't and working on them in PS. Easy as 123! Back to Jpeg *** +1 sharpness for me. Now I'm off to frustrate myself some more with HDR

04-03-2007, 02:12 PM	#12
khardur Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Massachusetts Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,560	great shot! The most useful thing about RAW (to me) is being able to control the alter the white balance easily, as a lot of times I'm shooting in strange light (like those ugly mercury vapor things that light up most towns). -Dan

04-04-2007, 09:21 AM	#13
Photochop Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 455 Original Poster	Thanks Dan! There are definitely some really neat thing you can do with RAW, I find the exposure setting really handy and easier to work with than levels or curves in PS. As for white balance, coming from a point and shoot, it took me a while to get used to changing it every time the lighting changed but it has now become second nature to me. Besides, I'm a "chimper" I almost always review what I have shot.