Awaiting The People

Awaiting The People · 02:49 PM

I have shot these canoes a few times from a few different locations. Which do you prefer? I am leaning towards the top one. JIM

skinja · 07-20-2009, 04:31 PM

Hi Jim, I really think you hit the mark on the last one. It went from really good to excellent. Well worth framing.

John

Jimbo · 07-20-2009, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Hi Jim, I really think you hit the mark on the last one. It went from really good to excellent. Well worth framing.

John

Quote:

Hey, while you're busy changing the photo into something it wasn't (instead of spending that time finding a more suitable composition), you might as well change the colour of the boats to make it an even more peaceful looking scene. And while you've got Photoshop open, why not paste some swimming loons into the upper right side... you know, "nature

Seems I should have walked on water to keep the grass out of the shot or just walked away because it was not natural enough! cheers JIM

mischivo · 07-20-2009, 04:35 PM

Well, when you start removing major elements of an image, simply because you couldn't get the shot from your vantage point, it makes me wonder why you bother with photography... you know, capturing that which is before you. Although I accept your apology, I offer a suggestion: painting may be a more lucrative hobby. It'll always be how you want it.

Update: no need to walk on water with all those boats waiting for you!

skinja · 07-20-2009, 04:44 PM

Hi Jim, Just thought I would let you know my wife prefers the second shot with the grass and the pole. Yea I know there are a lot of opinions out there some are less then constructive.

I always enjoy your posts and your work. Some should not even respond if they feel they just need to be rude.

John

JHfwp · 07-20-2009, 04:47 PM

They're both really great. And the first tightly cropped shot is as well. If you're going to clone out elements from the foreground, something I'm generally not in favor of, I think I might try cloning out the manufacturer's name from the canoes also. Either way, I like the first one the best--but only by a slim margin.

jimH · 07-20-2009, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Jimbo

I guess not a fan of photo adjustments. Sorry for bothering you. JIM

Photography is an art. Art is the translation of what is in your minds eye to what is visual to the eye. Whatever you do, however you do it is a realization of what you emotionally see with your soul.

jimH

Jimbo · 07-20-2009, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Hi Jim, Just thought I would let you know my wife prefers the second shot with the grass and the pole. Yea I know there are a lot of opinions out there some are less then constructive.

I always enjoy your posts and your work. Some should not even respond if they feel they just need to be rude.

John

Tell your wife thanks and looking forward to meeting both of you. I was just going by a suggestion that Gary made and really should have sent over on a PM instead of playing around on this post, as I do know some our sensitive to some PP work. Still a big learning curve to go and feedback, no matter what, is ok and I did apolize by the sounds of it. JIM

jimH · 07-20-2009, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Jimbo

Tell your wife thanks and looking forward to meeting both of you. I was just going by a suggestion that Gary made and really should have sent over on a PM instead of playing around on this post, as I do know some our sensitive to some PP work. Still a big learning curve to go and feedback, no matter what, is ok and I did apolize by the sounds of it. JIM

I don't think that you have any reason to apologize. Ansel Adams was a master photographer, but he was also a master "darkroom" manipulator. If it wasn't for his "post processing" you would have never seen some of his very best work.

jimH

Jimbo · 07-20-2009, 05:15 PM

Quote:

don't think that you have any reason to apologize. Ansel Adams was a master photographer, but he was also a master "darkroom" manipulator. If it wasn't for his "post processing" you would have never seen some of his very best work.

jimH

Look, I have only been at this for about a year and a half and if I have learned anything is everyone will have a a difference of option on what is good or bad in any image but for me if I stop listening to suggestions or criticism of any kind then the learning curve will stop. Just hearing all positive comments without hearing constructive feedback is not good either. I think that is true of any hobby or job one takes on. Cheers JIM

jimH · 07-20-2009, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Jimbo

Look, I have only been at this for about a year and a half and if I have learned anything is everyone will have a a difference of option on what is good or bad in any image but for me if I stop listening to suggestions or criticism of any kind then the learning curve will stop. Just hearing all positive comments without hearing constructive feedback is not good either. I think that is true of any hobby or job one takes on. Cheers JIM

I agree with your intent, however you must be faithful to your own vision, because in the end, that's what counts. I agree constructive criticism is essential to learning, but don't let it kill your own vision. The content of your photos is what counts, not how you got there. We don't all get perfect photographic scenarios laid in our laps.

jimH

Jimbo · 07-20-2009, 05:31 PM

Quote:

agree with your intent, however you must be faithful to your own vision, because in the end, that's what counts. I agree constructive criticism is essential to learning, but don't let it kill your own vision. The content of your photos is what counts, not how you got there. We don't all get perfect photographic scenarios laid in our laps.

jimH

Appreciate you taking the time to reply on my images. JIM

jimH · 07-20-2009, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Jimbo

Appreciate you taking the time to reply on my images. JIM

Keep up the good work!

jimH

MRRiley · 07-20-2009, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by mischivo

Hey, while you're busy changing the photo into something it wasn't (instead of spending that time finding a more suitable composition), you might as well change the colour of the boats to make it an even more peaceful looking scene. And while you've got Photoshop open, why not paste some swimming loons into the upper right side... you know, "nature".

Sheesh! Its not like Jim perpetrated the greatest fraud of history. It's just a photo man and its better without the pole. You don't like PP, don't do it! Do you clone out dust spots? Opps. dust is natural so you better leave it in. Btw, removing distracting elements is a far cry from adding things that were not there in the first place. Photographers alter reality all the time. Ever use a lens that offers a wider or narrower field of view than the human eye? Ever use a slow shutter speed to blur movement? Ever use a fast shutter speed to stop movement? If you have you have altered reality to suit your vision. Guess you'd better stick to 1/60 sec and a 50mm lens. Oh wait, even that alters reality. Guess you should give up photography and take up needle work.

Jim, Wonderful photo! I liked it best even with the pole but without it it works very well. I wouldn't have bothered cloning out the grass, but the pole had to go. Guess mischivo would have preferred for you to row out and chop it down since then it would have been more natural and suitable.

Mike

mel · 07-20-2009, 06:30 PM

Maybe I'm a weirdo but I like the second one even with the grass as the pole. I think they add context. I might have framed it a bit differently in the original shot, maybe a little further out with the boats a bit lower in the frame and the line of symmetry not right in the middle. but I'm good with the grass and the pole. Nice work.

Jimbo · 07-20-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Sheesh! Its not like Jim perpetrated the greatest fraud of history. It's just a photo man and its better without the pole. You don't like PP, don't do it! Do you clone out dust spots? Opps. dust is natural so you better leave it in. Btw, removing distracting elements is a far cry from adding things that were not there in the first place. Photographers alter reality all the time. Ever use a lens that offers a wider or narrower field of view than the human eye? Ever use a slow shutter speed to blur movement? Ever us a fast shutter speed to stop movement? If you have you have altered reality to suit your vision. Guess you'd better stick to 1/60 sec and a 50mm lens. Oh wait, even that alters reality. Guess you should give up photography and take up needle work.

Jim, Wonderful photo! I liked it best even with the pole but without it it works very well. I wouldn't have bothered cloning out the grass, but the pole had to go. Guess mischivo would have preferred for you to row out and chop it down since then it would have been more natural and suitable.

Mike

Thanks Mike for your comments and review. I was just trying a suggestion from Gary on the crop and croning out the grass. I think I will like the orginal. Always appreciate you checking in. JIM

Quote:

Maybe I'm a weirdo but I like the second one even with the grass as the pole. I think they add context. I might have framed it a bit differently in the original shot, maybe a little further out with the boats a bit lower in the frame and the line of symmetry not right in the middle. but I'm good with the grass and the pole. Nice work.

Great suggestions Mel. I will give that a try the next time I am in the area. I am up in the air on the pole in ot out though it will not go to print either way. [already have one done from a month a go or so. Cheers and thanks again. JIM

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07-20-2009, 06:14 PM	#28
MRRiley Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sterling, VA, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,275	Originally posted by mischivo Hey, while you're busy changing the photo into something it wasn't (instead of spending that time finding a more suitable composition), you might as well change the colour of the boats to make it an even more peaceful looking scene. And while you've got Photoshop open, why not paste some swimming loons into the upper right side... you know, "nature". Sheesh! Its not like Jim perpetrated the greatest fraud of history. It's just a photo man and its better without the pole. You don't like PP, don't do it! Do you clone out dust spots? Opps. dust is natural so you better leave it in. Btw, removing distracting elements is a far cry from adding things that were not there in the first place. Photographers alter reality all the time. Ever use a lens that offers a wider or narrower field of view than the human eye? Ever use a slow shutter speed to blur movement? Ever use a fast shutter speed to stop movement? If you have you have altered reality to suit your vision. Guess you'd better stick to 1/60 sec and a 50mm lens. Oh wait, even that alters reality. Guess you should give up photography and take up needle work. Jim, Wonderful photo! I liked it best even with the pole but without it it works very well. I wouldn't have bothered cloning out the grass, but the pole had to go. Guess mischivo would have preferred for you to row out and chop it down since then it would have been more natural and suitable. Mike Last edited by MRRiley; 07-20-2009 at 07:37 PM. Reason: typos

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07-20-2009, 04:31 PM	#16
skinja Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Denver, Co Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 968	Hi Jim, I really think you hit the mark on the last one. It went from really good to excellent. Well worth framing. John

07-20-2009, 04:34 PM	#17
Jimbo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,368 Original Poster	Quote: Hi Jim, I really think you hit the mark on the last one. It went from really good to excellent. Well worth framing. John Quote: Hey, while you're busy changing the photo into something it wasn't (instead of spending that time finding a more suitable composition), you might as well change the colour of the boats to make it an even more peaceful looking scene. And while you've got Photoshop open, why not paste some swimming loons into the upper right side... you know, "nature Seems I should have walked on water to keep the grass out of the shot or just walked away because it was not natural enough! cheers JIM

07-20-2009, 04:35 PM	#18
mischivo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 397	Well, when you start removing major elements of an image, simply because you couldn't get the shot from your vantage point, it makes me wonder why you bother with photography... you know, capturing that which is before you. Although I accept your apology, I offer a suggestion: painting may be a more lucrative hobby. It'll always be how you want it. Update: no need to walk on water with all those boats waiting for you!

07-20-2009, 04:44 PM	#19
skinja Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Denver, Co Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 968	Hi Jim, Just thought I would let you know my wife prefers the second shot with the grass and the pole. Yea I know there are a lot of opinions out there some are less then constructive. I always enjoy your posts and your work. Some should not even respond if they feel they just need to be rude. John

07-20-2009, 04:47 PM	#20
JHfwp Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 876	They're both really great. And the first tightly cropped shot is as well. If you're going to clone out elements from the foreground, something I'm generally not in favor of, I think I might try cloning out the manufacturer's name from the canoes also. Either way, I like the first one the best--but only by a slim margin.

07-20-2009, 04:47 PM	#21
jimH Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Central Nebraska - USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,771	Originally posted by Jimbo I guess not a fan of photo adjustments. Sorry for bothering you. JIM Photography is an art. Art is the translation of what is in your minds eye to what is visual to the eye. Whatever you do, however you do it is a realization of what you emotionally see with your soul. jimH

07-20-2009, 04:52 PM	#22
Jimbo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,368 Original Poster	Quote: Hi Jim, Just thought I would let you know my wife prefers the second shot with the grass and the pole. Yea I know there are a lot of opinions out there some are less then constructive. I always enjoy your posts and your work. Some should not even respond if they feel they just need to be rude. John Tell your wife thanks and looking forward to meeting both of you. I was just going by a suggestion that Gary made and really should have sent over on a PM instead of playing around on this post, as I do know some our sensitive to some PP work. Still a big learning curve to go and feedback, no matter what, is ok and I did apolize by the sounds of it. JIM

07-20-2009, 05:02 PM	#23
jimH Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Central Nebraska - USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,771	Originally posted by Jimbo Tell your wife thanks and looking forward to meeting both of you. I was just going by a suggestion that Gary made and really should have sent over on a PM instead of playing around on this post, as I do know some our sensitive to some PP work. Still a big learning curve to go and feedback, no matter what, is ok and I did apolize by the sounds of it. JIM I don't think that you have any reason to apologize. Ansel Adams was a master photographer, but he was also a master "darkroom" manipulator. If it wasn't for his "post processing" you would have never seen some of his very best work. jimH

07-20-2009, 05:15 PM	#24
Jimbo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,368 Original Poster	Quote: don't think that you have any reason to apologize. Ansel Adams was a master photographer, but he was also a master "darkroom" manipulator. If it wasn't for his "post processing" you would have never seen some of his very best work. jimH Look, I have only been at this for about a year and a half and if I have learned anything is everyone will have a a difference of option on what is good or bad in any image but for me if I stop listening to suggestions or criticism of any kind then the learning curve will stop. Just hearing all positive comments without hearing constructive feedback is not good either. I think that is true of any hobby or job one takes on. Cheers JIM

07-20-2009, 05:26 PM	#25
jimH Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Central Nebraska - USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,771	Originally posted by Jimbo Look, I have only been at this for about a year and a half and if I have learned anything is everyone will have a a difference of option on what is good or bad in any image but for me if I stop listening to suggestions or criticism of any kind then the learning curve will stop. Just hearing all positive comments without hearing constructive feedback is not good either. I think that is true of any hobby or job one takes on. Cheers JIM I agree with your intent, however you must be faithful to your own vision, because in the end, that's what counts. I agree constructive criticism is essential to learning, but don't let it kill your own vision. The content of your photos is what counts, not how you got there. We don't all get perfect photographic scenarios laid in our laps. jimH

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07-20-2009, 05:31 PM	#26
Jimbo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,368 Original Poster	Quote: agree with your intent, however you must be faithful to your own vision, because in the end, that's what counts. I agree constructive criticism is essential to learning, but don't let it kill your own vision. The content of your photos is what counts, not how you got there. We don't all get perfect photographic scenarios laid in our laps. jimH Appreciate you taking the time to reply on my images. JIM

07-20-2009, 05:37 PM	#27
jimH Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Central Nebraska - USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,771	Originally posted by Jimbo Appreciate you taking the time to reply on my images. JIM Keep up the good work! jimH

07-20-2009, 06:30 PM	#29
mel Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Virginia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,531	Maybe I'm a weirdo but I like the second one even with the grass as the pole. I think they add context. I might have framed it a bit differently in the original shot, maybe a little further out with the boats a bit lower in the frame and the line of symmetry not right in the middle. but I'm good with the grass and the pole. Nice work.

07-20-2009, 07:25 PM	#30
Jimbo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,368 Original Poster	Quote: Sheesh! Its not like Jim perpetrated the greatest fraud of history. It's just a photo man and its better without the pole. You don't like PP, don't do it! Do you clone out dust spots? Opps. dust is natural so you better leave it in. Btw, removing distracting elements is a far cry from adding things that were not there in the first place. Photographers alter reality all the time. Ever use a lens that offers a wider or narrower field of view than the human eye? Ever use a slow shutter speed to blur movement? Ever us a fast shutter speed to stop movement? If you have you have altered reality to suit your vision. Guess you'd better stick to 1/60 sec and a 50mm lens. Oh wait, even that alters reality. Guess you should give up photography and take up needle work. Jim, Wonderful photo! I liked it best even with the pole but without it it works very well. I wouldn't have bothered cloning out the grass, but the pole had to go. Guess mischivo would have preferred for you to row out and chop it down since then it would have been more natural and suitable. Mike Thanks Mike for your comments and review. I was just trying a suggestion from Gary on the crop and croning out the grass. I think I will like the orginal. Always appreciate you checking in. JIM Quote: Maybe I'm a weirdo but I like the second one even with the grass as the pole. I think they add context. I might have framed it a bit differently in the original shot, maybe a little further out with the boats a bit lower in the frame and the line of symmetry not right in the middle. but I'm good with the grass and the pole. Nice work. Great suggestions Mel. I will give that a try the next time I am in the area. I am up in the air on the pole in ot out though it will not go to print either way. [already have one done from a month a go or so. Cheers and thanks again. JIM