Black & White The End of the Line

The End of the Line · 05:17 PM

Pentax MZ-S, Ilford PanF+50

Peter Zack · 04-15-2010, 07:01 PM

These always impress me. No one builds them like this anymore (or could even afford to). Very nice and you've been busy tonight with film shots. Nice stuff although I'm not sure I like the inverted horizon and I think it would look a little better with some perspective straightening.

JeffJS · 04-15-2010, 07:09 PM

This is the first time I've ever used that lens on a full frame so I'm not real familiar with it in that context. I have others that are a little more extreme than that. What I learned from this shoot is near the center of the lens, with a parallel horizon (to the camera), the lens view looks more normal or less fish eye. Tilt the camera as in this photo or in my bent out of shape, real fisheye looking. Anyway, the purpose of the shoot was to introduce myself to this type of lens and what better place than a quiet (hopefully) grave yard.

Peter Zack · 04-15-2010, 07:16 PM

It's been awhile since I shot with a fish eye as well but that's true if the horizon is more or less in the center, that line will stay relatively straight. But lines above and below will still curve. But I wouldn't have shot it differently. It is an impressive momument that way. Just a little PP would straighen the horizon line.

Bramela · 04-15-2010, 07:36 PM

That is a well done shot,Jeff, I love the Blackand White.
I must add, however, I do have a problem with the perspective.
I just get my head around the Fisheye effect in photos. But that is my personal taste, not a negative remark at your shot.

JeffJS · 04-15-2010, 07:46 PM

This shot is looking up a hill at the monument from the road. At the time of day this is the only angle I could get for a bottom up shot like this.. I think the camera/lens/film combo is a winner once I learn to control the perspectives and angles in planning the shot. Going back to film, I have to go back to actually compose and expose mode and not fire and hope mode typical of digital. I took 20 shots that day with film on on digital, I would have easily done 200. I probably could have fixed the horizon after scanning the negative but didn't want to take it that far. I Did crop the image some to get ride of a black blob created by a nearby tree on the left. Perhaps I should have left it alone.

That I guess is the reason for posting in a forum like this, Feedback on what works and doesn't. Thanks for all of it folks, I really do appreciate it.

Tuner571 · 04-16-2010, 12:11 PM

Really nice looking shot, I like the effect that the fisheye gave on this shot. I also really like the black and white treatment that you used here as it gives the photo a deary feeling to it. I also like the amount of grain in the sky as i feel it also adds to the mood of the image as a whole.

Thanks for sharing.

JeffJS · 04-16-2010, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Tuner571

Really nice looking shot, I like the effect that the fisheye gave on this shot. I also really like the black and white treatment that you used here as it gives the photo a deary feeling to it. I also like the amount of grain in the sky as i feel it also adds to the mood of the image as a whole.

Thanks for sharing.

That's no treatment.. It's black and white film. There is no equal to the real thing, even with our fancy gadgets and software. At ASA 50, it should be a pretty fine grain but I'm still learning how to control the developing process to best make use of the film. I still have 9x 50 foot rolls left so there's a lot to practice with.. Then I'll break out the ASA 25 I've been hanging on to

**Ash** · 04-16-2010, 02:03 PM

Love the grain.
Would have like a tighter composition, but it's an appealing aspect and choice of lens for the shot.

PentX Girl · 04-16-2010, 06:50 PM

Nice shot...love the grainy feel of it

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04-15-2010, 07:01 PM	#2
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	These always impress me. No one builds them like this anymore (or could even afford to). Very nice and you've been busy tonight with film shots. Nice stuff although I'm not sure I like the inverted horizon and I think it would look a little better with some perspective straightening.

04-15-2010, 07:09 PM	#3
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484 Original Poster	This is the first time I've ever used that lens on a full frame so I'm not real familiar with it in that context. I have others that are a little more extreme than that. What I learned from this shoot is near the center of the lens, with a parallel horizon (to the camera), the lens view looks more normal or less fish eye. Tilt the camera as in this photo or in my bent out of shape, real fisheye looking. Anyway, the purpose of the shoot was to introduce myself to this type of lens and what better place than a quiet (hopefully) grave yard.

04-15-2010, 07:16 PM	#4
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	It's been awhile since I shot with a fish eye as well but that's true if the horizon is more or less in the center, that line will stay relatively straight. But lines above and below will still curve. But I wouldn't have shot it differently. It is an impressive momument that way. Just a little PP would straighen the horizon line.

04-15-2010, 07:36 PM	#5
Bramela Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Newcastle Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,284	That is a well done shot,Jeff, I love the Blackand White. I must add, however, I do have a problem with the perspective. I just get my head around the Fisheye effect in photos. But that is my personal taste, not a negative remark at your shot.

04-15-2010, 07:46 PM	#6
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484 Original Poster	This shot is looking up a hill at the monument from the road. At the time of day this is the only angle I could get for a bottom up shot like this.. I think the camera/lens/film combo is a winner once I learn to control the perspectives and angles in planning the shot. Going back to film, I have to go back to actually compose and expose mode and not fire and hope mode typical of digital. I took 20 shots that day with film on on digital, I would have easily done 200. I probably could have fixed the horizon after scanning the negative but didn't want to take it that far. I Did crop the image some to get ride of a black blob created by a nearby tree on the left. Perhaps I should have left it alone. That I guess is the reason for posting in a forum like this, Feedback on what works and doesn't. Thanks for all of it folks, I really do appreciate it.

04-16-2010, 12:11 PM	#7
Tuner571 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,549	Really nice looking shot, I like the effect that the fisheye gave on this shot. I also really like the black and white treatment that you used here as it gives the photo a deary feeling to it. I also like the amount of grain in the sky as i feel it also adds to the mood of the image as a whole. Thanks for sharing.

04-16-2010, 01:21 PM	#8
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484 Original Poster	Originally posted by Tuner571 Really nice looking shot, I like the effect that the fisheye gave on this shot. I also really like the black and white treatment that you used here as it gives the photo a deary feeling to it. I also like the amount of grain in the sky as i feel it also adds to the mood of the image as a whole. Thanks for sharing. That's no treatment.. It's black and white film. There is no equal to the real thing, even with our fancy gadgets and software. At ASA 50, it should be a pretty fine grain but I'm still learning how to control the developing process to best make use of the film. I still have 9x 50 foot rolls left so there's a lot to practice with.. Then I'll break out the ASA 25 I've been hanging on to

04-16-2010, 02:03 PM	#9
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Love the grain. Would have like a tighter composition, but it's an appealing aspect and choice of lens for the shot.

04-16-2010, 06:50 PM	#10
PentX Girl Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,700	Nice shot...love the grainy feel of it