Quote: Pentaxor: actually it's the J-9, the Helios is different and would had cost at what the M85 is selling for or even more so. sorry, I'm not really aware of how expensive the Helios can go beyond $300 in the used market (maybe double or triple), it depends on the demand and how outrageous some people sell their used copies.
Pentaxor, thank you for the correction on the Helios vs J9.
Quote: Pentaxor: I think performance and IQ-wise, the Helios is better for the same price as that of the M85. it is also an f1.5. as compared to f2 or half-stop faster. but it's an M42, which is not your preferred setup. may I ask why?
Really, the Helios a better performer--perhaps I'll re-evaluate things. The half stop may or may not be important, depending upon how good a half stop it is. I have some really fine, pristine condition, M42 glass: Auto Taks, Super Taks & others. I do not like having to screw these lenses into and out of the body. I see it as big opportunity for sensor dust. So, I carry one adapter, which I have modified by taking off the locking tab. This means I am always relying on friction for a safe mount, which has not failed me yet, but which always demands a certain amount of my attention while I shoot--along with sensor dust, I do not like this, nor do I like the added time involved in setting a lens up for shooting. But also, especially the case since all my m42 glass is family-gifted, M42 glass is so finely crafted it almost seems senseless to have it out in the field: I am often really out in the field too. Then there is the issue of weight too. As it is you would not believe my hiking bag and what is in it. That is initially what drove me the Tamron 17-50 route.
Quote: Pentaxor: anyway, in fairness to the M85, it's size is really attractive. and it does seem to perform really good, especially when you are after resolution, sharpness and contrast. I didn't include bokeh because this seems to be subjective and differs, unless you are looking for that same specific bokeh that the FA77 could render and produce that specific pop or 3D image. but yet again, pop and 3D effect can also be achieved by the other fast 85s. the color maybe considered a plus for the M85, but this does not make the other 85's color dull nor unpleasant.
Not to sound smart, but what else are we after in our images besides resolution, sharpness and contrast? Since all we have left is bokeh & color, it sounds like, to me, you are, without really saying it, implying the M85 is lacking a bit here--is this a fair summation on my part?
Quote: Pentaxor:I almost considered buying an M85/2 last year (October IIRC), under Marc's suggestion. I could had pulled the trigger and got the lens, but I never did. I opted for something faster which was more ideal for portraiture and which has a more soft and less contrasty rendering.
Please, tell me what you opted for--I am seriously curious? Thanks.