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03-01-2011, 06:42 PM   #2221
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QuoteOriginally posted by mglowe Quote
I sure do like that shot of the boats! It would be hard to tell the difference between my version and your version of the 28 2.8. These 2.8s do produce a different looking image than the 3.5 version.
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Supposedly the M28 2.8 VII is the same optically as the A28

It may have been discussed earlier but is the M28 3.5 related to the old Takumar 28 3.5s? It seems to have more of a 3d look than the 2.8 versions

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Supposedly the M28 2.8 VII is the same optically as the A28
It may have been discussed earlier but is the M28 3.5 related to the old Takumar 28 3.5s? It seems to have more of a 3d look than the 2.8 versions
Deimos, I think the 3D effect you mention is in this case due to the placement of objects in the photos.

At the risk of being pedantic, here is a list for you of 28mm 3.5 and 2.8 lens designs through the M series. It's all quite confusing, because the different versions of each 28 are most often not specified when people post their photos.


M42 Super Takumar Version 1 (7 elemtents 6 groups)

M42 Super Takumar and Super Multi Coated and SMC Takumar Version 2 (7 elements 7 groups)

SMC being the first K mount (8 elements 7 groups)

M (6 elements 6 groups)

M 28 2.8 both version 1 and 2 (7 elements 7 groups)


As you can see, the lens designs kept changing with each new version. I have used all of these lenses. I presently use the very first version 28 3.5 Super Takumar and its image characteristics and size are very different than the second version Super and Super Multi Coated Takumar versions.

The M 3.5 might share a tendency toward a somewhat saturated, denser image quality like the second version Takumars. I think the digital photographer needs to compensate for that saturation when they shoot these lenses or certainly at the computer while post-processing. The 2.8 M's seem to be more transparent with a similar appearance of sharpness like the first version earliest Super Takumar and SMC K 28 3.5. Having shot each of these versions, this is my conclusion from looking at my files and from remembering the impression each lens made on me at the time of shooting. The M 3.5 is a sharp lens, even zoomed in on pixels whereas the second version Takumar 28s do not seem so sharp, especially if you zoom in a little on an image. Still, they can produce very good looking photos with lots of contrast, color saturation, and little distortion.

Meanwhile, I'm quite happy with my two M 28mm lenses. If I could keep just one, I'd probably keep the 2.8 version.

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QuoteOriginally posted by mglowe Quote
Deimos, I think the 3D effect you mention is in this case due to the placement of objects in the photos.

At the risk of being pedantic, here is a list for you of 28mm 3.5 and 2.8 lens designs through the M series. It's all quite confusing, because the different versions of each 28 are most often not specified when people post their photos.


M42 Super Takumar Version 1 (7 elemtents 6 groups)

M42 Super Takumar and Super Multi Coated and SMC Takumar Version 2 (7 elements 7 groups)

SMC being the first K mount (8 elements 7 groups)

M (6 elements 6 groups)

M 28 2.8 both version 1 and 2 (7 elements 7 groups)


As you can see, the lens designs kept changing with each new version. I have used all of these lenses. I presently use the very first version 28 3.5 Super Takumar and its image characteristics and size are very different than the second version Super and Super Multi Coated Takumar versions.

The M 3.5 might share a tendency toward a somewhat saturated, denser image quality like the second version Takumars. I think the digital photographer needs to compensate for that saturation when they shoot these lenses or certainly at the computer while post-processing. The 2.8 M's seem to be more transparent with a similar appearance of sharpness like the first version earliest Super Takumar and SMC K 28 3.5. Having shot each of these versions, this is my conclusion from looking at my files and from remembering the impression each lens made on me at the time of shooting. The M 3.5 is a sharp lens, even zoomed in on pixels whereas the second version Takumar 28s do not seem so sharp, especially if you zoom in a little on an image. Still, they can produce very good looking photos with lots of contrast, color saturation, and little distortion.

Meanwhile, I'm quite happy with my two M 28mm lenses. If I could keep just one, I'd probably keep the 2.8 version.
I think youre right about the object placement and the 3d, I thought about that afterwards. That said even the ridges of the mountains in your shots above seem to pop, thats likley just be the sharpness and the shadows though

Thanks for the clarification on all of the variants, its often hard to decipher what is what! I just got an m42 adapter and was considering the SMC Tak 28 3.5 to play with. I like the 28 FL on APS-C a lot.

I recently bought a Cosina/Revuenon 55mm 1.2, gee whiz all of those 1.2 variants are another confusing bunch of glass!

Fun problem to have

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This is the last one for a while having to do with Palo Duro Canyon. I have at least a couple or three hundred more, but the canyon is so colorful that I feel like the eyes need a rest from all of it. In a few photos, not this one, I desaturated the sky thinking it was too blue, but then just reverted back to the intense blue. That's how the sky is sometimes, although I did have a polarizing filter for some of the shots. Maybe the filter darkened a sky or two.


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M 35/2.8

While on the subject, the m 35 2.8 maybe, along with the m 40, the most unloved M lens out there, therefore I will use it for the balance of this week... I actually like the FL as a general "walk around" lens.

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Oh I like that last one a lot!
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M 28 3.5

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I'm glad you posted those two more - I especially enjoyed these
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