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12-12-2015, 08:58 AM   #2911
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QuoteOriginally posted by rjm007 Quote
In my keeness to buy my first Helios lens I naturally headed straight for a 44-7 and didn't do my research.

This came in the post this morning from Moscow via eBay. I think I know the answer to this question but I'd like to confirm my thoughts and it might prove useful to others. ...
Bonjour rjm007,

Your message made me go get my various 44M's ... All mine look exactly like your lens.

My 80xxxxx serial number one is exactly like yours in external appearance, except for the name ring.

I also have a 79xxxxx and a 77xxxxx that are the same except there's distance scale mark of "0,65" between "0,6" and "0,7"

Is there a red "M" and a green "A" on the switch ?

And I am pretty sure that the 44m-7 does not have an "A/M" switch ... neither do the 44M-5 and 44M-6 which I have copies.


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12-12-2015, 09:03 AM   #2912
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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
Yikes! I just did an image search and found tons of faux Helios 44M-7 (all based on 44M) I am having to refresh my memory, but I believe the real thing should have rectangle-cut rubber focus grip or if a metal grip, a bright front edge of focus ring. There should also be an aperture ring coupler in addition to the aperture actuator and date of manufacture 1993 or later.
Yeah, I have seen lot of those images and I was quite suspicious ... I have never had a real 44M-7 in my greedy lil' hands, thus my knowledge is a bit limited here.
12-12-2015, 09:16 AM   #2913
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I had to check to be sure, but 6 blades ... not 8. See : Helios 44M-7 (Valday) 58mm, F/2 Lens Reviews - Russian and Zenitar Lenses - Pentax Lens Review Database

An eBay image ...

12-12-2015, 10:34 AM   #2914
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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
Yes, you have a fairly clean 44M with with a fake nameplate and some goopy fill on the lettering. I would start a PayPal dispute. That should bring the seller around. Do you care to share the seller ID?


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Phot0sniper. Sells a lot of Photo sniper kits oddly enough. She was a bit pissed I left negative feedback. I thought it was actually quite restrained - basically said - got sent good 44M with a "non-original" 44-7 face plate - caveat emptor. Kept trying to persuade me it was an early version. Well yes but not an early version of a 44-7 which was what the item title (and price) specifically indicated.

She did offer a full refund - presumably to avoid negative feedback but I decided I didn't want anymore hassle and hey-ho I wanted an early one so I've kept it. Now I just need to buy a junker so I can change the faceplate back :-)

If I'm honest I was a bit dumb. Didn't do my research. The photo on the ebay page is obviously a 44M - even shows the A/M knob on the side. If it was a one off lens I could put it down to a seller mistake. As it is she's selling 20 of them and I spoke to someone on MFlenses.com and they'd had the same experience. I found it odd there was no other negative feedback. In the end I overpaid for a perfectly good 44M and learnt a cheapish lesson. Such is life.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Jean Poitiers Quote
Bonjour rjm007,

I also have a 79xxxxx and a 77xxxxx that are the same except there's distance scale mark of "0,65" between "0,6" and "0,7"

Is there a red "M" and a green "A" on the switch ?

And I am pretty sure that the 44m-7 does not have an "A/M" switch ... neither do the 44M-5 and 44M-6 which I have copies.
No 0,65 on mine , yep to the Red and Green on the switch. I think there's overwhelming evidence this is an authentic 44M
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jean Poitiers Quote
Yeah, I have seen lot of those images and I was quite suspicious ... I have never had a real 44M-7 in my greedy lil' hands, thus my knowledge is a bit limited here.
There is currently a listing on eBay for a Zenit 21XS with 44M-7 (Valdai) attached. The appearance is identical to a 44M-6 (metal focus ring style).

Zenit 21XS Russian SLR Camera MC Helios 44M 7 | eBay


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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
There is currently a listing on eBay for a Zenit 21XS with 44M-7 (Valdai) attached. The appearance is identical to a 44M-6 (metal focus ring style).

Zenit 21XS Russian SLR Camera MC Helios 44M 7 | eBay


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Merci Steve ... I need this one, plus a "3" to round out my collection.

I do not know if I will bother to find a "K" fit 44 ... maybe if one comes my way cheap at a swap!

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The Zenit was really not a camera that took well aesthetically to injection moulding, was it? That 21XS is ugly.

(He says, trying to keep the price on that M7 down... )
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Ilford Delta 100, Pentax P-3 and Helios 44K-4.
- A gazebo on the pond in the park.
- Portrait with canal in the background.
- Canal
- Under the oak.
- Portrait in the alley.
- On the sea shore.
Some shots from Kaleynar 5N 100 mm F2.8


Turn loose the birds.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Stagnant Quote
Ilford Delta 100, Pentax P-3 and Helios 44K-4.
- A gazebo on the pond in the park.
- Portrait with canal in the background.
- Canal
- Under the oak.
- Portrait in the alley.
- On the sea shore.
Some shots from Kaleynar 5N 100 mm F2.8

Turn loose the birds.
A very nice series ... TFS, J
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jean Poitiers Quote
A very nice series ... TFS, J
Thanks ! Here are some more shots from the same film roll : https://flic.kr/s/aHsknw8sUh . Helios 44K-4 is my absolute favourite for use on film body. Kaleynar 5N is close second.
12-13-2015, 09:08 PM   #2922
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QuoteOriginally posted by Stagnant Quote
Ilford Delta 100, Pentax P-3 and Helios 44K-4.
- A gazebo on the pond in the park.
- Portrait with canal in the background.
- Canal
- Under the oak.
- Portrait in the alley.
- On the sea shore.
Some shots from Kaleynar 5N 100 mm F2.8


Turn loose the birds.
You are a very good photographer, regardless of lens and cameras. Those shots are beautiful.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pepe Guitarra Quote
You are a very good photographer, regardless of lens and cameras. Those shots are beautiful.
Thank you for the kind words !
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Finally got my 44k-4. Time to put it through its paces!

12-20-2015, 10:07 PM   #2925
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I am very sad today: My MIR-1V decided to destroy itself.

While screwing the front element back on (It had some minor fogging going on and I was impatient) the focus went past infinity. There is now a piece rattling around inside the lens and the focus is completely wacked. Attempts at getting into the lens appears to have ended as there are two stripped screws from the PO on the focusing ring, so I can't get it off to evaluate.

It was My second favorite lens, and this greatly saddens me.
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