Leica Lens Club

teiki arii · 09-26-2016, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by bscott

Matt, I enjoyed you photos with Leica lenses. I have a few M and R lens that I would like to use on a digital body but I am not sure which body to use. I really don't want to change the mount so do you have any suggestions for me as to the camera body to use with my R lenses? Thanks

Hi bscott,
the only OVF FF digital bodies you can use with Leica-R lenses without changing original mount are Canons'. You can use adapter on Sony A7xII for both Leica-R and Leica-M lenses. You can even have autocus with Leica lenses on Sony A7xII...

Last edited by teiki arii; 10-08-2016 at 12:17 AM.

a5m · 10-09-2016, 03:33 PM - **2 Likes**

Cross posted from 'The Bokeh Club' thread.

K-5 IIs + Leica Summicron-R 35/2
ISO 200 f2 RAW untouched

a5m · 10-16-2016, 07:12 PM - **2 Likes**

K-5 IIs + Leica Summicron-R 35/2

teiki arii · 11-05-2016, 03:16 PM - **3 Likes**

Hello everybody,
this is my first post about my Leica-R lenses on Pentax K-1. I gave two delicate lenses to transform in Leitax Mount thanks to David Llado (who is living nearby) which are Leica Summicron-R Apo Asph 90/2 & Leica Macro-Elmarit-R 60/2.8. I went and got them. I have some other Leica-R lenses to switch by myself soon. But today, before coming back home, I only tried the Macro-Elmarit-R 60/2.8 in Girona.. The ones taken inside were between 1/13s and 1/50s hand held (thanks to IBIS/SR) and the ones in the restaurant with my wife were shot W.O..
Good night..

Attached Images

teiki arii · 11-05-2016, 03:29 PM

A 100% crop of the second one taken in a shop in Girona, Iso500 1/50s f:4.0.. Processed in DxO Optics Pro 11 (denoising with prime) and sent in LR6 (distortion process but there is nearly none for Macro-Elmarit), and finshing in Piccure+ lens correction (No aberration process, just rendering between 3 and 10)... The crop of the third one about my wife's hands, Iso800 1/15s W.O. All shots Hand held and Manual focus of course.

rbelyell · 11-05-2016, 05:07 PM

well one can surely see the 'leica look' in these photos. does the mount conversion allow for auto metering, or is it a 'green button' affair?

a5m · 11-05-2016, 06:24 PM

Nice results there from the 60/2.8. Leica lenses definitely out-resolve the sensor for sure. Looking forward to the 90/2 results as I've been wanting to get both of these lenses.

From what I saw when my lens guy switched the mounts, it is very easy, and took less than 5 minutes. You don't exactly lose auto metering, you can use Av mode which automatically adjusts exposure based on the set aperture. You just can't adjust aperture through the camera.

teiki arii · 11-05-2016, 11:43 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rbelyell

well one can surely see the 'leica look' in these photos. does the mount conversion allow for auto metering, or is it a 'green button' affair?

Yes it does allow for metering including Multizone one in Av and (perhaps) in M mode. I actually was astonished, I thought Multizone wouldn't have been supported as well as autofocus tracking... Anyway, most of the time, I frame before focusing and don't have to focuse first and then frame, it's quicker. Nevertheless, metering compensation is -1IL for this lens. It changes with the lenses and sometimes depends on aperture. But I'm used to it, since I have been having digital cameras (EOS 5D, 5D MKII and 6D until K-1). I don't know if NR and (Highlight, shadow) dynamic adjustment work on RAW files, but I disconnected all of them. I do not need "green button" except if I want "Auto Iso". I programmed it from 100 to 800 in low Iso/low speed priority.

Originally posted by a5m

Nice results there from the 60/2.8. Leica lenses definitely out-resolve the sensor for sure.

Yes, you are right, I was afraid of that on a big sensor (more than 20MP) but I am pleasantly surprised. Bokeh is beautiful and microcontrast as well.

Originally posted by a5m

Looking forward to the 90/2 results as I've been wanting to get both of these lenses.

You will have to wait a little bit I'm afraid...

**Digitalis** · 11-06-2016, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by a5m

Looking forward to the 90/2 results as I've been wanting to get both of these lenses.

It will be a LONG wait, the Leica-R 90mm f/2 is a superb lens, and still commands a high price. But like most R lenses it is surpassed by the Leica-M APO-Summicron 90mm f/2 ASPH.

Gedeon · 11-06-2016, 04:37 AM

I bought a summicron-r f2 last week (2nd version). Just waiting my package from David...

teiki arii · 11-06-2016, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

It will be a LONG wait, the Leica-R 90mm f/2 is a superb lens, and still commands a high price. But like most R lenses it is surpassed by the Leica-M APO-Summicron 90mm f/2 ASPH.

Hello Digitalis,
these two lenses share exactly the same optical formula. Besides the Leica-R one can focuse to 70cm while the Leica-M one can only focuse to 1m. Using a M-Mount 90mm is much more hasardous IMHO to use (with a Leica-M) than the R-Mount, capturing images philosophy is different between the two systems.
So how can you tell it is different? Did you reed it or did you make your own tests?
Best regards.

Originally posted by Gedeon

I bought a summicron-r f2 last week (2nd version). Just waiting my package from David...

When you mean the second version, you mean the Apo Apsh one? Actually, IMHO, the one to buy for the bokeh is the non-Apo one. Its appearance looks like very much the Apo lens but it is not written Apo nor Asph on the lens and costs third the price of the Apo.

Gedeon · 11-06-2016, 08:34 AM

no, no : V1 is until 1976 (i mean), after it was the V2, with new glass coating new design... mine is a 1993 cron

teiki arii · 11-06-2016, 08:57 AM

Good choice.

**Digitalis** · 11-07-2016, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by teiki arii

these two lenses share exactly the same optical formula.

Incorrect, the early Leica-R summicron 90mm f/2 is not apochromatic. The Leica-M APO-Summicron 90mm f/2 is apochomatic*. There was an apochrmoatic version of the R series 90mm f/2 - though these are incredibly rare, last one I saw was selling in a private auction with a starting bid of of $5000USD, which escalated to over 8000USD. A steep price indeed, but not uncommon for such legendary optics.

Originally posted by teiki arii

Besides the Leica-R one can focuse to 70cm while the Leica-M one can only focuse to 1m

This has more to do with the inherent technical difficulties encountered with RF cameras than any shortcoming of the lens itself.

*and also, still in production. Unlike the R series lenses ever since the Leica DMR turned out to be such a flop.

Gedeon · 11-07-2016, 03:55 AM - **1 Like**

done these morning... just 10 minuts to fix leitax mount on summicron
on K-1... just try a few pictures at home.... seems very good (her F/2.4), colors & contrast are beautiful, far from my (clinical, analytic) zeiss planar

11-05-2016, 03:29 PM	#215
teiki arii Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 689	A 100% crop of the second one taken in a shop in Girona, Iso500 1/50s f:4.0.. Processed in DxO Optics Pro 11 (denoising with prime) and sent in LR6 (distortion process but there is nearly none for Macro-Elmarit), and finshing in Piccure+ lens correction (No aberration process, just rendering between 3 and 10)... The crop of the third one about my wife's hands, Iso800 1/15s W.O. All shots Hand held and Manual focus of course. Attached Images Last edited by teiki arii; 11-06-2016 at 11:23 AM.

11-07-2016, 03:55 AM - 1 Like	#225
Gedeon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 246	done these morning... just 10 minuts to fix leitax mount on summicron on K-1... just try a few pictures at home.... seems very good (her F/2.4), colors & contrast are beautiful, far from my (clinical, analytic) zeiss planar Last edited by Gedeon; 11-07-2016 at 04:13 AM.

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09-26-2016, 09:29 AM	#211
teiki arii Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 689	Originally posted by bscott Matt, I enjoyed you photos with Leica lenses. I have a few M and R lens that I would like to use on a digital body but I am not sure which body to use. I really don't want to change the mount so do you have any suggestions for me as to the camera body to use with my R lenses? Thanks Hi bscott, the only OVF FF digital bodies you can use with Leica-R lenses without changing original mount are Canons'. You can use adapter on Sony A7xII for both Leica-R and Leica-M lenses. You can even have autocus with Leica lenses on Sony A7xII... Last edited by teiki arii; 10-08-2016 at 12:17 AM.

10-09-2016, 03:33 PM - 2 Likes	#212
a5m Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 576	Cross posted from 'The Bokeh Club' thread. K-5 IIs + Leica Summicron-R 35/2 ISO 200 f2 RAW untouched

10-16-2016, 07:12 PM - 2 Likes	#213
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11-05-2016, 03:16 PM - 3 Likes	#214
teiki arii Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 689	Hello everybody, this is my first post about my Leica-R lenses on Pentax K-1. I gave two delicate lenses to transform in Leitax Mount thanks to David Llado (who is living nearby) which are Leica Summicron-R Apo Asph 90/2 & Leica Macro-Elmarit-R 60/2.8. I went and got them. I have some other Leica-R lenses to switch by myself soon. But today, before coming back home, I only tried the Macro-Elmarit-R 60/2.8 in Girona.. The ones taken inside were between 1/13s and 1/50s hand held (thanks to IBIS/SR) and the ones in the restaurant with my wife were shot W.O.. Good night.. Attached Images

11-05-2016, 05:07 PM	#216
rbelyell Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 95	well one can surely see the 'leica look' in these photos. does the mount conversion allow for auto metering, or is it a 'green button' affair?

11-05-2016, 06:24 PM	#217
a5m Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 576	Nice results there from the 60/2.8. Leica lenses definitely out-resolve the sensor for sure. Looking forward to the 90/2 results as I've been wanting to get both of these lenses. From what I saw when my lens guy switched the mounts, it is very easy, and took less than 5 minutes. You don't exactly lose auto metering, you can use Av mode which automatically adjusts exposure based on the set aperture. You just can't adjust aperture through the camera.

11-05-2016, 11:43 PM - 1 Like	#218
teiki arii Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 689	Originally posted by rbelyell well one can surely see the 'leica look' in these photos. does the mount conversion allow for auto metering, or is it a 'green button' affair? Yes it does allow for metering including Multizone one in Av and (perhaps) in M mode. I actually was astonished, I thought Multizone wouldn't have been supported as well as autofocus tracking... Anyway, most of the time, I frame before focusing and don't have to focuse first and then frame, it's quicker. Nevertheless, metering compensation is -1IL for this lens. It changes with the lenses and sometimes depends on aperture. But I'm used to it, since I have been having digital cameras (EOS 5D, 5D MKII and 6D until K-1). I don't know if NR and (Highlight, shadow) dynamic adjustment work on RAW files, but I disconnected all of them. I do not need "green button" except if I want "Auto Iso". I programmed it from 100 to 800 in low Iso/low speed priority. Originally posted by a5m Nice results there from the 60/2.8. Leica lenses definitely out-resolve the sensor for sure. Yes, you are right, I was afraid of that on a big sensor (more than 20MP) but I am pleasantly surprised. Bokeh is beautiful and microcontrast as well. Originally posted by a5m Looking forward to the 90/2 results as I've been wanting to get both of these lenses. You will have to wait a little bit I'm afraid...

11-06-2016, 02:53 AM	#219
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by a5m Looking forward to the 90/2 results as I've been wanting to get both of these lenses. It will be a LONG wait, the Leica-R 90mm f/2 is a superb lens, and still commands a high price. But like most R lenses it is surpassed by the Leica-M APO-Summicron 90mm f/2 ASPH.

11-06-2016, 04:37 AM	#220
Gedeon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 246	I bought a summicron-r f2 last week (2nd version). Just waiting my package from David...

11-06-2016, 08:23 AM	#221
teiki arii Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 689	Originally posted by Digitalis It will be a LONG wait, the Leica-R 90mm f/2 is a superb lens, and still commands a high price. But like most R lenses it is surpassed by the Leica-M APO-Summicron 90mm f/2 ASPH. Hello Digitalis, these two lenses share exactly the same optical formula. Besides the Leica-R one can focuse to 70cm while the Leica-M one can only focuse to 1m. Using a M-Mount 90mm is much more hasardous IMHO to use (with a Leica-M) than the R-Mount, capturing images philosophy is different between the two systems. So how can you tell it is different? Did you reed it or did you make your own tests? Best regards. Originally posted by Gedeon I bought a summicron-r f2 last week (2nd version). Just waiting my package from David... When you mean the second version, you mean the Apo Apsh one? Actually, IMHO, the one to buy for the bokeh is the non-Apo one. Its appearance looks like very much the Apo lens but it is not written Apo nor Asph on the lens and costs third the price of the Apo.

11-06-2016, 08:34 AM	#222
Gedeon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 246	no, no : V1 is until 1976 (i mean), after it was the V2, with new glass coating new design... mine is a 1993 cron

11-06-2016, 08:57 AM	#223
teiki arii Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 689	Good choice.

11-07-2016, 03:32 AM	#224
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by teiki arii these two lenses share exactly the same optical formula. Incorrect, the early Leica-R summicron 90mm f/2 is not apochromatic. The Leica-M APO-Summicron 90mm f/2 is apochomatic. There was an apochrmoatic version of the R series 90mm f/2 - though these are incredibly* rare, last one I saw was selling in a private auction with a starting bid of of $5000USD, which escalated to over 8000USD. A steep price indeed, but not uncommon for such legendary optics. Originally posted by teiki arii Besides the Leica-R one can focuse to 70cm while the Leica-M one can only focuse to 1m This has more to do with the inherent technical difficulties encountered with RF cameras than any shortcoming of the lens itself. *and also, still in production. Unlike the R series lenses ever since the Leica DMR turned out to be such a flop.