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07-09-2013, 08:19 PM   #5281
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Great shot todd. The bokeh is fabulous .looks really good.

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QuoteOriginally posted by disco_owner Quote
Great shot todd
Thanks! Turned it towards the kids for a bit this evening. I am very pleasantly surprised at this focal length. It's very comfortable and versatile (as you all know).



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Some film shots. Ilford 400 I believe, FA31

















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QuoteOriginally posted by todd Quote
Thanks! Turned it towards the kids for a bit this evening. I am very pleasantly surprised at this focal length. It's very comfortable and versatile (as you all know).
Well, it seems that you have the lens mastered, todd, those are great shots. I usually do not like framings that "cuts parts of the body part in focus in half", but that ultra-tight crop works great on the bottom picture. Also, I do like the colored "chains" providing a frame for the girl - very very nice!

The kids look like a lot of fun, and good (& willing) models, so I assume that we can expect more (assuming, of course, they're your kids - not just someone you stalked at the local playground )

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QuoteOriginally posted by tclausen Quote
those are great shots.
Thanks! I didn't think much of the bottom tight crop experiment then my wife said she liked it, so there you have it. (although I should have cloned out the blue blob)
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assuming, of course, they're your kids
Haha yes.. They're my two youngest of five.. These two are both adopted. (The first three were biologically manufactured from my wife and I...) You can read a little more about them if you click on the flickr link below (taken with the FA31)... Hope is from China and she is blind, so she does make for an interesting subject because I can catch her in natural looking poses quite easily. She knows I am taking pictures but she doesn't do anything about it really unless I ask her to.... She loves having her picture taken too because she knows I am focused on her and she is a big talker so it's a fun way we can spend time together.. Zion on the other hand can see very well and he is a ham with a huge smile, so it was surprising to catch a picture of him not smiling at the camera.



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This thread hurts my wallet. I have a 77mm and its lovely


Now the question. FA31mm or the Sigma 30mm 1.4

I keep going back and forth ugh!
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QuoteOriginally posted by richmondthefish Quote
This thread hurts my wallet. I have a 77mm and its lovely


Now the question. FA31mm or the Sigma 30mm 1.4

I keep going back and forth ugh!
I know, isn't it amazing? The photos always have a special quality about them.

As for your question ... I considered the Sigma, but the FA 31 is truly special. If you are just interested in bokeh shots, the Sigma might work, but from what I read, it's not very sharp in the corners. The 31 is so sharp all over. Just a very quality lens. And it does bokeh extremely well, too. I think the FA 31 is much more versatile than the Sigma. Just my two cents.
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QuoteOriginally posted by loco Quote
As for your question ... I considered the Sigma, but the FA 31 is truly special. If you are just interested in bokeh shots, the Sigma might work, but from what I read, it's not very sharp in the corners. The 31 is so sharp all over. Just a very quality lens. And it does bokeh extremely well, too. I think the FA 31 is much more versatile than the Sigma. Just my two cents.

Very good summary!
I've read about the corner sharpness issues as well, though it seems this would only be a issue with larger prints of landscape shots

The best way I can describe the FA31 is that it's a 31mm version of the FA77. I know that's at a very high level and not completely accurate, but i meant they seem to have a very similar quality about them.(not a bad thing) The Sigma 30mm has a different quality about it. The photo's don't seem as consistent but some of the better ones are great.

Really tough decision because the FA31 costs an arm and a leg(i would have to buy a used one). The Sigma isn't sold anymore but is half the price on the used market(if you can find one). The FA31 seems like it has a much higher satisfaction across the board..... but every once in a while I read a very convincing review from a Sigma 30mm owner as to why it's a much better choice with photos to back it up. Then I read why the FA31 is better and it gets into a vicious cycle of going back and forth.

My gut feeling is I will like the FA31 no matter what and the Sigma will be a more of a hit or miss. But that's a lot of money for another lens...ugh

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QuoteOriginally posted by richmondthefish Quote
the Sigma will be a more of a hit or miss.
I debated this like crazy too, but in the end I wanted the all around versatility of the 31. I saw the across the frame sharpness of the Sigma was lacking in comparison, and for me it has a sometimes distracting slight barrel distortion, and those odd triangular highlights sometimes aren't something I'd want... With the 31 there is of course its special rendering where to my eye the Sigma looks a bit flat in comparison. That said I agree there are many who make the Sigma sing and as an amateur I really could have been happy with it, if I hadn't become able to get the 31. Maybe you want to try the Sigma first and then decide... For me I had to buy the 31 while I had the money.. If I had gone with the Sigma first it might have been years before I could upgrade to the 31. Also a factor in that decision for me was I came into my 31 money right after that sale was here for the Sigma in March or whenever that was. If I had been able to get the Sigma new for $289 like a bunch here did, then I would have tried it first. But when I was shopping for the 31, the Sigma was only to be found in the $400 range, which is just too much imo.

Forget the debate. Just go look at all of Loco's photos on flickr and then hurry and go find a wobble free used 31 and be done with it. You won't regret it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by todd Quote

Forget the debate. Just go look at all of Loco's photos on flickr and then hurry and go find a wobble free used 31 and be done with it. You won't regret it.
Awww, thanks Todd! You make the lens sing! And this thread should sell most anyone on these FA Limiteds.

richmondthefish, I'd suggest you keep an eye out at KEH.com. That's where I got both my 77 and 31 used. The 31 was rated "bargain" and I got it for under $700. It was a steal in my opinion. The lens has a couple bumps and scrapes but works flawlessly. Sometimes it pays to wait and keep those eyes peeled.
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Sometimes it pays to wait and keep those eyes peeled.
What a deal! I assume your copy is 'wobble' free? That was my biggest concern so I bought used, but got one in brand new condition, and directly from someone who could tell me there was no wobble/looseness with the front element.
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What a deal! I assume your copy is 'wobble' free? That was my biggest concern so I bought used, but got one in brand new condition, and directly from someone who could tell me there was no wobble/looseness with the front element.
I'll have to check it when I get home, but I have never noticed anything wobbling.
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I have never noticed anything wobbling
From what I read, you would have noticed it by now. Some have said that it can be kind of annoying... As I recall, you'd feel it as you rotate the camera around. Is yours MIJ too? I don't think those are known to have the wobble, but can't remember for sure.
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QuoteOriginally posted by richmondthefish Quote
Very good summary!
I've read about the corner sharpness issues as well, though it seems this would only be a issue with larger prints of landscape shots

The best way I can describe the FA31 is that it's a 31mm version of the FA77. I know that's at a very high level and not completely accurate, but i meant they seem to have a very similar quality about them.(not a bad thing) The Sigma 30mm has a different quality about it. The photo's don't seem as consistent but some of the better ones are great.

Really tough decision because the FA31 costs an arm and a leg(i would have to buy a used one). The Sigma isn't sold anymore but is half the price on the used market(if you can find one). The FA31 seems like it has a much higher satisfaction across the board..... but every once in a while I read a very convincing review from a Sigma 30mm owner as to why it's a much better choice with photos to back it up. Then I read why the FA31 is better and it gets into a vicious cycle of going back and forth.

My gut feeling is I will like the FA31 no matter what and the Sigma will be a more of a hit or miss. But that's a lot of money for another lens...ugh
I would just say that the big thing to me is the out of focus rendering and border sharpness for the FA 31 are just hands down better than for the Sigma. I think the Sigma 35 f1.4 would be the only candidate for a FA 31 competitor in my mind and I could understand someone choosing it over the FA 31, although I looked at comparison photos and don't see enough difference to make me want to switch.

Switching subject, here are a couple of aquarium photos with the FA 77. Really tough place to shoot, low light and really nasty, dirty glass to shoot through...





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low light and really nasty, dirty glass to shoot through
and no problem for you and your 77! wow
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