The 15mm Limited controls my mind - club

**Rondec** · 03-12-2016, 04:58 AM

Sunrise Tucker Lake.

tim60 · 03-12-2016, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by pixie

Hi, why do you think it's rare if I may ask.

The main types of 4 engine jets now are 747 (getting phased out) and the 380 and most of the rest are 2 engine, 737, 757, 767, 777, 787, 320, 330, and the smaller ones are around in very big numbers. Therefore surprising to see two 4 engine in the same bit of sky, with no others.

I think it is 747 on the left and 380 on the right.

pixie · 03-12-2016, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by tim60

The main types of 4 engine jets now are 747 (getting phased out) and the 380 and most of the rest are 2 engine, 737, 757, 767, 777, 787, 320, 330, and the smaller ones are around in very big numbers. Therefore surprising to see two 4 engine in the same bit of sky, with no others.

I think it is 747 on the left and 380 on the right.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I thought they (4 engine ones) were not that rare as I see them here all the time out of SFO. Framing two of them while at high altitude is another thing.

narual · 03-12-2016, 10:06 PM

This is an intentionally overcooked HDR - trying to represent how intense/overwhelming the initial visual load was after sitting down in this restaurant (it's called Papermoon Diner, in Baltimore). The rest of the shots I took were with the 77mm limited, so I can't post them in here (they're here!) ... but wow, this place is wild, and you should check it out if you're ever in Charm City. I could easily have spent *hours* photographing bits and pieces of this place. And the food was good, too.

20160312 at 165700-15 mm-¹⁄₅₀ sec at ƒ - 5.6-ISO 2500 - smc PENTAX-DA 15mm F4 ED AL Limited_HDR

**bpv_UW** · 03-12-2016, 10:23 PM - **8 Likes**

A couple old images I've never posted here before, from Crested Butte, CO area, June 2013.

-Brandon

tim60 · 03-13-2016, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by pixie

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I thought they (4 engine ones) were not that rare as I see them here all the time out of SFO. Framing two of them while at high altitude is another thing.

SFO would be one of the places where there are a lot of 747s and 380s because of the cross pacific routes, and their capacity results in less planes flying. The 777 was the first two engine plane to have engine life long enough to be rated for commercial use across the Pacific, where there is potential to need to fly one engine down for 7 hours, depending where the failure happens. SFO is the nicest US entry point I have found, and influenced my choice of entry point several times. I think the fundamental issue is that it is one of the few US airports which separates international and domestic travel. In contrast LAX seems to be a collection of airline airports rather than an airport to which the airlines fly.

I arrived at SFO one time and the immigration computer failed, so they just let the arrival hall fill up with about 10 loads of people. Everyone just had to stand around for a couple of hours till it got going again. Other than that, no problems with that place. That day the airline representative spent about 30-40 minutes with me (one passenger) trying to find rebookings to my destination, and then overnight accommodation (I had arrived on a morning flight) and still arrived in Ottawa after midnight the next night. I had a generous connection but the wait was that long. That is an advantage of the old style booking of a whole journey in comparison with the sector by sector booking on the internet, because then the airline is not responsible for problems that arise.

Nicolas06 · 03-13-2016, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by tim60

That is an advantage of the old style booking of a whole journey in comparison with the sector by sector booking on the internet, because then the airline is not responsible for problems that arise.

I would avoid to isuse severasl ticket on the same bound as you never know what can happen

When I did have several ticket, I set 2 days between the flights and visited the city.

If you ask, I work as software engineer for a flight reservation system :P

**Tas** · 03-13-2016, 02:51 AM - **4 Likes**

A hazy start to the day.

**Hattifnatt** · 03-13-2016, 04:29 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by jva59

Terrific!

Thank you. Couple more from a previous series.

tim60 · 03-13-2016, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

I would avoid to isuse severasl ticket on the same bound as you never know what can happen

When I did have several ticket, I set 2 days between the flights and visited the city.

If you ask, I work as software engineer for a flight reservation system :P

Buying separate tickets only makes sense in the situation you describe. Last year I went online for a particular journey, buying from the airline, and for one trip they wanted AUD6400. When I bought two tickets (each two sectors but with 2 weeks between the trips) it cost me about AUD2300, to sit in the same class of seat with the same entitlements in the same plane! Another choice actually cost MORE to buy part of the journey (one sector) than the whole journey (two sectors). There is no normal logic to airline pricing.

My earlier point was that the travel agent process for buying gets the same ticket conditions for the entire journey, for example international trip with a few domestic sectors added in. Buying separately will get all kinds of different baggage allowances etc. AND if something goes wrong the supplier takes a 'no responsibility' attitude, whereas in the whole package purchase, it is their problem to find alternatives if their service fails to supply the parts so they link together.

northcoastgreg · 03-13-2016, 03:20 PM - **8 Likes**

Two Medicine Lake, Glacier NP, June 2012:

enoeske · 03-14-2016, 07:41 AM - **1 Like**

a couple of interiors from the Hilton Chicago

SlamDesiAK · 03-14-2016, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by bpv_UW

Canoe

Sunset

Summit County sunset

-Brandon

Hi, Brandon... I love your shots with the 15mm. I'm currently vexed over whether to get the 15mm or the 21mm. The 21's proprietary lens hood and not being able to throw a UV protective filter onto it is problematic for me but, which lens do you feel provides the best results? I've been drawn to the 15mm's images I've seen in this Forum more so than the 21 but, in the reviews here, the 21mm is rated as a sharper, better rated lens. ???

kh1234567890 · 03-14-2016, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by SlamDesiAK

The 21's proprietary lens hood and not being able to throw a UV protective filter onto it is problematic for me

You can put a reversed filter inside the DA21 hood - not that you'd really need it most of the time as the hood provides enough protection. As for DA15/DA21 - I'd go for the DA21 anytime, but I'm biased and this is the DA15 thread ...

SlamDesiAK · 03-14-2016, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by kh1234567890

You can put a reversed filter inside the DA21 hood - not that you'd really need it most of the time as the hood provides enough protection. As for DA15/DA21 - I'd go for the DA21 anytime, but I'm biased and this is the DA15 thread ...

What about rain and such on the DA21 lens face? The lens hood could protect against some moisture but not all. I'll look into the reverse filter at B&H. Thanks, kh.

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