Trigger remote flash without popping up built in flash

123jippo · 10-13-2012, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by rawr

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-flashes-lighting-technique/195068-...ntax-sony.html

Looks like good product. Only minus is that not work in High Speed sync mode without having extra High speed sync flash connected to camera body...meaning High Speed with this is little difficult.

photoephemere · 10-14-2012, 03:07 PM

why do you want to "not" use the popup flash as a commander ? what is the trouble using it ?

**JimJohnson** · 10-14-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by godavari

I use AF360 flash with K-5. Wondering how can I trigger the flash remotely without having to pop up the built-in flash. Thanks in advance.

Since no one has asked to this point, why don't you want to use the built-in flash as a trigger? The built-in flash can operate your 360 as a slave (the built-in flash adds its light to the exposure) or in controller-only mode (the built-in flash sends out the pre-flash instructions to your 360, but does not participate in any way with the actual exposure). I frequently use the second method to provide more dramatic lighting.

SOldBear · 10-14-2012, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

Lowell do you know if this passes through everything needed by the GPS unit? I was going to suggest that cable but I don't know if it will work for the OP's purpose or not. It would be good to know as I'm sure the OP is not the only person who might run into the same situation.

This setup should work. The built-in flash can still fire. The cable passes all connections from the camera's hotshoe to the accessory, be it a flash or a GPS unit. The accessory doesn't know and doesn't care if there are wires between it and the camera.

123jippo · 10-15-2012, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by photoephemere

why do you want to "not" use the popup flash as a commander ? what is the trouble using it ?

popup flash can not do High Speed PTTL

**Lowell Goudge** · 10-15-2012, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by 123jippo

popup flash can not do High Speed PTTL

except on the *istD

**Lowell Goudge** · 10-15-2012, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by SOldBear

This setup should work. The built-in flash can still fire. The cable passes all connections from the camera's hotshoe to the accessory, be it a flash or a GPS unit. The accessory doesn't know and doesn't care if there are wires between it and the camera.

backwards connection, the OP wants the GPS on the camera, and a remote flash on the end of the cable, not a remote GPS on the cable and pop up flash.

SOldBear · 10-15-2012, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Lowell Goudge

the OP wants the GPS on the camera, and a remote flash on the end of the cable, not a remote GPS on the cable and pop up flash.

Not my understanding with this post (mid page 1 of this thread):

Originally posted by godavari

I use O-GPS1 outdoors which is mounted on hot shoe so can't use pop up flash, and I need to trigger the external flash for "fill in" purposes occasionally. Any of these remote triggers be helpful in this case? Thanks.

In the setup in my post above, the O-GPS1 can be attached to the (wired, off-camera) hotshoe, the pop-up flash can still be used. Electronically, the O-GPS1 doesn't know and doesn't care whether it's attached directly to the camera's hotshoe, or there is an extension cable in between.

If the OP wants the GPS on the camera, and a flash at the end of the cable, this is the setup (the adapter on the camera's hotshoe has "Y" connections from the camera to the cable AND to the hotshoe on the adapter):

**Lowell Goudge** · 10-15-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by SOldBear

Not my understanding with this post (mid page 1 of this thread):

In the setup in my post above, the O-GPS1 can be attached to the (wired, off-camera) hotshoe, the pop-up flash can still be used. Electronically, the O-GPS1 doesn't know and doesn't care whether it's attached directly to the camera's hotshoe, or there is an extension cable in between.

If the OP wants the GPS on the camera, and a flash at the end of the cable, this is the setup (the adapter on the camera's hotshoe has "Y" connections from the camera to the cable AND to the hotshoe on the adapter):

you can actually delete the second "shoe adaptor" at least with the AF540FGZ because the cable plugs into the flash directly. Not sure on other flashes whether they have a direct cable plug or not.

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10-13-2012, 03:45 AM	#16
123jippo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 165	Originally posted by rawr https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-flashes-lighting-technique/195068-...ntax-sony.html Looks like good product. Only minus is that not work in High Speed sync mode without having extra High speed sync flash connected to camera body...meaning High Speed with this is little difficult.

10-14-2012, 03:07 PM	#17
photoephemere Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Near from Paris Photos: Albums Posts: 38	why do you want to "not" use the popup flash as a commander ? what is the trouble using it ?

10-14-2012, 06:12 PM	#18
JimJohnson Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Summer:Lake Superior - Michigan Winter:Texas Hill Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,772	Originally posted by godavari I use AF360 flash with K-5. Wondering how can I trigger the flash remotely without having to pop up the built-in flash. Thanks in advance. Since no one has asked to this point, why don't you want to use the built-in flash as a trigger? The built-in flash can operate your 360 as a slave (the built-in flash adds its light to the exposure) or in controller-only mode (the built-in flash sends out the pre-flash instructions to your 360, but does not participate in any way with the actual exposure). I frequently use the second method to provide more dramatic lighting.

10-14-2012, 06:49 PM	#19
SOldBear Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alameda, CA Posts: 3,206	Originally posted by jatrax Lowell do you know if this passes through everything needed by the GPS unit? I was going to suggest that cable but I don't know if it will work for the OP's purpose or not. It would be good to know as I'm sure the OP is not the only person who might run into the same situation. This setup should work. The built-in flash can still fire. The cable passes all connections from the camera's hotshoe to the accessory, be it a flash or a GPS unit. The accessory doesn't know and doesn't care if there are wires between it and the camera.

10-15-2012, 04:20 AM	#20
123jippo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 165	Originally posted by photoephemere why do you want to "not" use the popup flash as a commander ? what is the trouble using it ? popup flash can not do High Speed PTTL

10-15-2012, 05:25 AM	#21
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	Originally posted by 123jippo popup flash can not do High Speed PTTL except on the *istD

10-15-2012, 05:27 AM	#22
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	Originally posted by SOldBear This setup should work. The built-in flash can still fire. The cable passes all connections from the camera's hotshoe to the accessory, be it a flash or a GPS unit. The accessory doesn't know and doesn't care if there are wires between it and the camera. backwards connection, the OP wants the GPS on the camera, and a remote flash on the end of the cable, not a remote GPS on the cable and pop up flash.

10-15-2012, 10:00 AM	#23
SOldBear Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alameda, CA Posts: 3,206	Originally posted by Lowell Goudge the OP wants the GPS on the camera, and a remote flash on the end of the cable, not a remote GPS on the cable and pop up flash. Not my understanding with this post (mid page 1 of this thread): Originally posted by godavari I use O-GPS1 outdoors which is mounted on hot shoe so can't use pop up flash, and I need to trigger the external flash for "fill in" purposes occasionally. Any of these remote triggers be helpful in this case? Thanks. In the setup in my post above, the O-GPS1 can be attached to the (wired, off-camera) hotshoe, the pop-up flash can still be used. Electronically, the O-GPS1 doesn't know and doesn't care whether it's attached directly to the camera's hotshoe, or there is an extension cable in between. If the OP wants the GPS on the camera, and a flash at the end of the cable, this is the setup (the adapter on the camera's hotshoe has "Y" connections from the camera to the cable AND to the hotshoe on the adapter):

10-15-2012, 01:32 PM	#24
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	Originally posted by SOldBear Not my understanding with this post (mid page 1 of this thread): In the setup in my post above, the O-GPS1 can be attached to the (wired, off-camera) hotshoe, the pop-up flash can still be used. Electronically, the O-GPS1 doesn't know and doesn't care whether it's attached directly to the camera's hotshoe, or there is an extension cable in between. If the OP wants the GPS on the camera, and a flash at the end of the cable, this is the setup (the adapter on the camera's hotshoe has "Y" connections from the camera to the cable AND to the hotshoe on the adapter): you can actually delete the second "shoe adaptor" at least with the AF540FGZ because the cable plugs into the flash directly. Not sure on other flashes whether they have a direct cable plug or not.

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