Warning! Read before installing new metz firmware for 58 af-1 and 58 af-2

Class A · 06-26-2013, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by vanyagor

Should I report this to Metz?

They are aware of the issue and are working on a solution.

I don't think you need to report.

vanyagor · 06-26-2013, 05:14 AM - **1 Like**

It looks like Metz just have uploaded a new firmware version 4.1 for the 58-AF2 Pentax: Metz
and version 5.1 for the 58-AF1 Pentax: Metz

And I do confirm this fixed the problem (K-5 latest fw + Metz 58-AF2 fw 4.1 + DA40 2.8 Limited)

Howdy · 06-26-2013, 10:50 AM

Version v. 5.1 has SOLVED THE PROBLEM for me too! It performs flawlessly for both new and legacy lenses in both A, M, PTTL and PTTL-HSS flash modes.
I urge anyone who has v. 5.0 installed on Metz 58 AF-1 or v. 4.0 on Metz 58 AF-2 to consider updating to the newest firmware for Metz 58 AF-1 and Metz 58 AF-2.

skyer · 06-26-2013, 01:43 PM

Hi!
What are the benefits of the new v.4.0/v.4.1 firmware of the 58 AF-2 for the K-5 IIs users? My flash has a v.3.0 firmware, P-TTL HSS works fine. I only find (in camera's M mode) that the maximum 'real' shutter speed is only 1/160, not 1/180. After 1/160 there goes 1/200 rightaway. I use 1/3 EV steps. If I switch to the oedinary P-TTL mode (not HSS), then I it is possible to select 1/180. Does anyone know why it is so?

Class A · 06-27-2013, 12:42 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by skyer

What are the benefits of the new v.4.0/v.4.1 firmware of the 58 AF-2 for the K-5 IIs users?

That's something I'd like to know as well.
Metz told me the HSS function has been improves but not how so.

Originally posted by skyer

I only find (in camera's M mode) that the maximum 'real' shutter speed is only 1/160, not 1/180. After 1/160 there goes 1/200 rightaway. I use 1/3 EV steps.

The sync-speed of 1/180 just isn't part of the series of shutter speeds if you select 1/3 EV steps. It is a 1/3 step between 1/160 and 1/200. To get 1/180, you have to switch to 1/2 EV steps.

skyer · 06-27-2013, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Class A

The sync-speed of 1/180 just isn't part of the series of shutter speeds if you select 1/3 EV steps. It is a 1/3 step between 1/160 and 1/200. To get 1/180, you have to switch to 1/180.

It's a bit confusing to me. How can I switch to 1/180 from 1/160 if one turn of the wheel selects 1/200, not 1/180 (in P-TTLL HSS). If my flash is in ordinary P-TTL mode, I can easily select 1/180.

vanyagor · 06-27-2013, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by skyer

It's a bit confusing to me. How can I switch to 1/180 from 1/160 if one turn of the wheel selects 1/200, not 1/180 (in P-TTLL HSS). If my flash is in ordinary P-TTL mode, I can easily select 1/180.

What Class A was suggesting (as I understand) is to get to 1/180 you have to use the mode dial and use the "X" mode where the shutter speed is always 1/180
When you are in PTTL or any other mode (except for PTTL HSS) the top shutter speed is limited by 1/180, so in any mode on the camera after 1/160, 1/180 will appear (rather than 1/200). (Well to be precise when the meeter is not active the LCD screen may show 1/200 however as soon as you activate the meeter it goes back to 1/180)

In PTTL HSS mode however you can select any shutter speed you want in M, Tv or TAv modes, thus the normal sequence is valid (i.e 1/160 then 1/200 ...) thus to get 1/180 in PTTL HSS mode you need to switch to the "X" mode on the camera, you can also get 1/180 if you go to any mode where the shutter speed is selected automatically by the camera.

Class A · 06-27-2013, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by skyer

It's a bit confusing to me. How can I switch to 1/180 from 1/160 if one turn of the wheel selects 1/200, not 1/180 (in P-TTLL HSS).

Sorry, I wasn't quite awake yet when I posted.

What I meant to write is that "To get 1/180 as a choice, you have to switch to 1/2 EV steps."

skyer · 06-27-2013, 09:28 PM

vanyagor, thank you for your thorough explanation but it's all familiar to me.

Originally posted by Class A

Sorry, I wasn't quite awake yet when I posted.

What I meant to write is that "To get 1/180 as a choice, you have to switch to 1/2 EV steps."

This kind of an answer I was looking for!
However, it's still a pity, that it's impossible to select 1/180 in P-TTL HSS mode with 1/3 EV steps. I know the difference between 1/2 EV and 1/3 EV is almost insignificant but anyway.

DogLover · 08-10-2013, 08:26 AM

I've searched for an answer to this with no luck. I'm having trouble updating my 58AF-2. I'm on a newish mac and if I plug in the usb, the flash won't power up. If I have the power already on and plug it in, the power goes out. Any way I try it, the computer never recognizes that the flash is plugged in. It's probably something simple that will make me feel silly, but what's the deal?

Class A · 08-11-2013, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by DogLover

It's probably something simple that will make me feel silly, but what's the deal?

I always removed the batteries before connecting the flash via USB. The USB port from my Windows laptop provides sufficient power to run the flash.

If that doesn't work for you, you may want to try a different computer.

DogLover · 08-11-2013, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Class A

I always removed the batteries before connecting the flash via USB. The USB port from my Windows laptop provides sufficient power to run the flash.

If that doesn't work for you, you may want to try a different computer.

I tried it without the batteries first, the usb won't power it. Only other computer I have is a mac mini. If my big mac (ha!) won't power it, no way that one will. I wonder if maybe I try disconnecting all other usb cables, the power will be concentrated enough for that one to give it enough juice. There are no other devices connected though, just empty-ended cables, so I don't know. Thanks anyway.

06-26-2013, 05:14 AM - 1 Like	#17
vanyagor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 177	It looks like Metz just have uploaded a new firmware version 4.1 for the 58-AF2 Pentax: Metz and version 5.1 for the 58-AF1 Pentax: Metz And I do confirm this fixed the problem (K-5 latest fw + Metz 58-AF2 fw 4.1 + DA40 2.8 Limited) Last edited by vanyagor; 06-26-2013 at 05:59 AM.

06-26-2013, 01:43 PM	#19
skyer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Orel, Russia Posts: 251	Benefits of the new firmware to K-5 IIs users? Hi! What are the benefits of the new v.4.0/v.4.1 firmware of the 58 AF-2 for the K-5 IIs users? My flash has a v.3.0 firmware, P-TTL HSS works fine. I only find (in camera's M mode) that the maximum 'real' shutter speed is only 1/160, not 1/180. After 1/160 there goes 1/200 rightaway. I use 1/3 EV steps. If I switch to the oedinary P-TTL mode (not HSS), then I it is possible to select 1/180. Does anyone know why it is so?

06-27-2013, 12:42 PM - 1 Like	#20
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by skyer What are the benefits of the new v.4.0/v.4.1 firmware of the 58 AF-2 for the K-5 IIs users? That's something I'd like to know as well. Metz told me the HSS function has been improves but not how so. Originally posted by skyer I only find (in camera's M mode) that the maximum 'real' shutter speed is only 1/160, not 1/180. After 1/160 there goes 1/200 rightaway. I use 1/3 EV steps. The sync-speed of 1/180 just isn't part of the series of shutter speeds if you select 1/3 EV steps. It is a 1/3 step between 1/160 and 1/200. To get 1/180, you have to switch to 1/2 EV steps. Last edited by Class A; 06-27-2013 at 02:03 PM.

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06-26-2013, 03:15 AM	#16
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by vanyagor Should I report this to Metz? They are aware of the issue and are working on a solution. I don't think you need to report.

06-26-2013, 10:50 AM	#18
Howdy Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 86 Original Poster	Version v. 5.1 has SOLVED THE PROBLEM for me too! It performs flawlessly for both new and legacy lenses in both A, M, PTTL and PTTL-HSS flash modes. I urge anyone who has v. 5.0 installed on Metz 58 AF-1 or v. 4.0 on Metz 58 AF-2 to consider updating to the newest firmware for Metz 58 AF-1 and Metz 58 AF-2.

06-27-2013, 01:20 PM	#21
skyer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Orel, Russia Posts: 251	Originally posted by Class A The sync-speed of 1/180 just isn't part of the series of shutter speeds if you select 1/3 EV steps. It is a 1/3 step between 1/160 and 1/200. To get 1/180, you have to switch to 1/180. It's a bit confusing to me. How can I switch to 1/180 from 1/160 if one turn of the wheel selects 1/200, not 1/180 (in P-TTLL HSS). If my flash is in ordinary P-TTL mode, I can easily select 1/180.

06-27-2013, 01:49 PM	#22
vanyagor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 177	Originally posted by skyer It's a bit confusing to me. How can I switch to 1/180 from 1/160 if one turn of the wheel selects 1/200, not 1/180 (in P-TTLL HSS). If my flash is in ordinary P-TTL mode, I can easily select 1/180. What Class A was suggesting (as I understand) is to get to 1/180 you have to use the mode dial and use the "X" mode where the shutter speed is always 1/180 When you are in PTTL or any other mode (except for PTTL HSS) the top shutter speed is limited by 1/180, so in any mode on the camera after 1/160, 1/180 will appear (rather than 1/200). (Well to be precise when the meeter is not active the LCD screen may show 1/200 however as soon as you activate the meeter it goes back to 1/180) In PTTL HSS mode however you can select any shutter speed you want in M, Tv or TAv modes, thus the normal sequence is valid (i.e 1/160 then 1/200 ...) thus to get 1/180 in PTTL HSS mode you need to switch to the "X" mode on the camera, you can also get 1/180 if you go to any mode where the shutter speed is selected automatically by the camera.

06-27-2013, 02:05 PM	#23
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by skyer It's a bit confusing to me. How can I switch to 1/180 from 1/160 if one turn of the wheel selects 1/200, not 1/180 (in P-TTLL HSS). Sorry, I wasn't quite awake yet when I posted. What I meant to write is that "To get 1/180 as a choice, you have to switch to 1/2 EV steps."

06-27-2013, 09:28 PM	#24
skyer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Orel, Russia Posts: 251	vanyagor, thank you for your thorough explanation but it's all familiar to me. Originally posted by Class A Sorry, I wasn't quite awake yet when I posted. What I meant to write is that "To get 1/180 as a choice, you have to switch to 1/2 EV steps." This kind of an answer I was looking for! However, it's still a pity, that it's impossible to select 1/180 in P-TTL HSS mode with 1/3 EV steps. I know the difference between 1/2 EV and 1/3 EV is almost insignificant but anyway.

08-10-2013, 08:26 AM	#25
DogLover Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,054	I've searched for an answer to this with no luck. I'm having trouble updating my 58AF-2. I'm on a newish mac and if I plug in the usb, the flash won't power up. If I have the power already on and plug it in, the power goes out. Any way I try it, the computer never recognizes that the flash is plugged in. It's probably something simple that will make me feel silly, but what's the deal?

08-11-2013, 03:57 AM	#26
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by DogLover It's probably something simple that will make me feel silly, but what's the deal? I always removed the batteries before connecting the flash via USB. The USB port from my Windows laptop provides sufficient power to run the flash. If that doesn't work for you, you may want to try a different computer.

08-11-2013, 09:27 AM	#27
DogLover Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,054	Originally posted by Class A I always removed the batteries before connecting the flash via USB. The USB port from my Windows laptop provides sufficient power to run the flash. If that doesn't work for you, you may want to try a different computer. I tried it without the batteries first, the usb won't power it. Only other computer I have is a mac mini. If my big mac (ha!) won't power it, no way that one will. I wonder if maybe I try disconnecting all other usb cables, the power will be concentrated enough for that one to give it enough juice. There are no other devices connected though, just empty-ended cables, so I don't know. Thanks anyway.