Originally posted by mcgregni I must admit, the whole flash power profiling thing makes my eyes glaze over and I get a cold sweat just reading about it !
Originally posted by mcgregni Am I right to think of it as tricking the V6 into thinking the flash had more power steps than it actually does, by using the filters ..... ? But even though the flash can't make those extra steps on its own, the V6 can somehow make it do that after recording the steps with the filter ....?
Yes, the V6 doesn't really know what flash you're putting on and I was tricking inserting two extra steps. The V6 doesn't know anything about the steps that are supported by the flash unit. Some base information to do calculations it gets from you. You tell it what Guide Number (GN) - that's very important IMO - and select brand.
I'll describe my interpretation / speculation of the whole situation:
By telling V6 the GN of the flash unit it knows the upper voltage boundary if there are some general electric rules given. Between the lower boundary 0 and the upper GN-given boundary V6 needs to learn the steps in between manually. With each step you trigger the flash manually and V6 measures the light reflected from the one meter far white wall in the dark (normalized situation). I think the measured light indicates a special voltage or something like that. Let's assume voltage. Then we get a function f(step) = x Volt. In other words V6 learns what voltage has to be associated with each given manual step.
In case of the AF201FG only two steps are dedicated manual steps. That means you have three points in a functional curve (x-axis): 0 - 1/4 - 1/1. Each provided with a voltage (y-axis) that drives the flash unit.
The V6 learning process starts with full power where you have to select (P)TTL-Mode (associated with analogue TTL-mode). The following steps you guide in linear order in manual mode: 1/2 - 1/4 - 1/8 - 1/16 - 1/32 - 1/64 - 1/128. Each step that the flash unit doesn't support you have to skip manually. Because I didn't know what steps the AF201FG unit internally supports I just tried. Because of only two steps, first try ended with an error message like "Error - not enough data." ... or something like that.
Ok - we have to add more steps and trick V6. Exposure Value (EV) is the base of computing the ISO-Time-Aperture equation. A 0.3 ND filter takes 1 EV step, 0.6 two, 0.9 three and so on (linear) - the same as taking one aperture step, half time or half ISO. You can take two ND filters and the effect is the addition of both. So my idea was to trick V6 using ND filter slides up to step 1/128. That didn't work.
- The end was reached at 1/8 and I only used the 0.3 gel slide to get it. Why ended it that way? I think this has to do with the given GN and associated volt - but I don't really know.
At the end of the procedure I got a profile that I had to name - I chose "AF201". When I wanted to test it the first time I had to select it from the list of learned profiles - name found was: "Cactus AF201". I selected the AF201 profile and it worked.
Speculative summarizing
V6 got 5 functional steps associated with something like a voltage: 1/1 - 1/2 - 1/4 - 1/8 - 0. Steps in between V6 simply interpolates by applying a general mathematical interpolation method.
I can select down to 1/128 on the V6 with real effect. That's really great!
Using two V6s plus K1 and Pentax AF201FG:
- set camera program modes to M, X or B. If you use an automatic program mode like AV, you have to underexpose by applying appropriate ev-compensation. This way you don't overexpose the picture.
- put one V6 on camera and select tx mode
- put the flash on the second V6, select rx mode, select the learned profile and set flash to PTTL
- hint 1: camera driven ev-compensation doesn't show any effect
- hint 2: V6 pass through allows to use a on camera PTTL flash in addition
Practice (I know that you, mcgregni, are very experienced - the following words are meant for people who aren't):
- Set up a small scene you want to photograph, position a tripod with camera setup and put the second V6 in an angle you like
- Set camera to M program
- Choose an ISO, Time and Aperture, so that an image only shows black or something near. Set focus. Make an image without flash.
- Now activate the two V6s and choose 1/128 on camera V6 first. The second one should receive a message (shown by a blinking LED) and change the setting. Make an image. Flash should fire according to the setting. Repeat until you reach 1/1.
- After that, display one image after the other to view the differences in lighting. The last ones may be overexposed. This way you get an impression of what's possible if you use it creatively.
About Pentax AF201FG:
- Well made nice litte WR PTTL-flash unit with manual mode - limited in function. Critiques mostly: no support of wireless PTTL control and slave mode
- Only GN 20 without "upgrade" like Metz AF26-2 can do. IMO GN 20 is sufficient for many situations and is a lot more than camera built-in flashes deliver.
- Angle of a 24mm lens covered, using wide angle panel 20mm (FF 24/20, on APSC 16/13mm, on 645Z/645D 30/25mm), no zooming
- Extremely lightweight - simply a pleasure to use it V6-based wireless in one hand and camera in the other
- Uses 2 AAA batteries or accumulators - I recommend eneloop accus
- Very easy to use - you can hold the flash unit in one hand and rotate the mode knob with the thumb of the same hand - very convenient!
- Very flexible vertical tilting: one step down, more up and back supported. To fix snap down tilting press button at the angle of the unit.
Edit:
03.10.2016
1) My writing about wrong Group (Canon) of the learned Profile was wrong. Simply a misinterpretation of Cactus's Menü. So I deleted the paragraph.
2) Added hint about working with camera automatic program modes.
3) Angle of the unit info added for FF, APC, MF 645
Last edited by acoufap; 10-03-2016 at 08:17 AM.