[victormeldrew]

I also have a science and engineering background and can't understand your confusion, to be honest.

No confusion at all. I just think that applying one common name to two entirely different technologies with different capabilities and drawbacks and requiring significantly different equipment is, at best, a little ambiguous. One 'wireless' system will simply connect across a room, round corners, next room, wherever, and communicate invisibly with the target. The other wireless system requires a primary flash unit, in direct line of sight, over limited range, in limited (not too bright) lighting conditions, to a second compatible flash unit, contributing unavoidable (often unwanted) additional lighting, to communicate with the target. To give these both the same name is a bit non-sensical in my mind.

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[clackers]

No confusion at all. I just think that applying one common name to two entirely different technologies with different capabilities and drawbacks and requiring significantly different equipment is, at best, a little ambiguous. One 'wireless' system will simply connect across a room, round corners, next room, wherever, and communicate invisibly with the target. The other wireless system requires a primary flash unit, in direct line of sight, over limited range, in limited (not too bright) lighting conditions, to a second compatible flash unit, contributing unavoidable (often unwanted) additional lighting, to communicate with the target. To give these both the same name is a bit non-sensical in my mind.

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Since optical wireless came before WiFi and was understood by the whole industry, should it, or radio wireless, have to drop the term?

[noelpolar]

My Directv remote comes in two flavors, one with standard IR comms to the receiver, and one with RF. The RF is generally better since it's more-or-less omnidirectional and can go through things like chairs. One is generally referred to as the normal remote, one as the RF remote or RF-capable remote or something like that. Because referring to both as wireless remotes or just remotes leaves ambiguity.

My first tv remote had wires...... all since have been wireless....
(I'm not to sure about progress, at least I could always find the wired remote)

Anyway.... probally a good indication of the complexity of using flash properly anyhow!

[FantasticMrFox]

Since optical wireless came before WiFi and was understood by the whole industry, should it, or radio wireless, have to drop the term?

It doesn't matter who or what should or should not do something. People have widely come to associate 'wireless' with radio transmission, that's the status quo. It's just like 'DFB' standing both for the German fencing association, and the German football association, and despite the fencing one being older and having born the acronym for a longer time, everyone now understands it to refer to football, and it is used that way in the media.

Meanings change.

[noelpolar]

It doesn't matter who or what should or should not do something. People have widely come to associate 'wireless' with radio transmission, that's the status quo. It's just like 'DFB' standing both for the German fencing association, and the German football association, and despite the fencing one being older and having born the acronym for a longer time, everyone now understands it to refer to football, and it is used that way in the media.

Meanings change.

We wouldn't be Pentaxians if we gave in that easily..... or conformed....

[clackers]

People have widely come to associate 'wireless' with radio transmission, that's the status quo.

And we have people who have their lens hoods on backwards, or call a sports shooter's long prime a 'zoom'.

In this forum, we know better than that, and can educate new members not to make those embarrassing mistakes in the presence of experienced photographers.

Thor put it: "Like I said, I'm so new at flash photography that I don't even know what all the terminology means, but it sounds like it does wireless. I'm just not entirely sure how."

Now he knows the terminology, all is good.

[mcgregni]

Exactly, if everything was obvious what would our purpose in life then be ?!?

'The wireless' was what my grandma called her old AM radio, but my parents called theirs a 'radio' ...

I used to read loads of photography books and magazines all about SLR camera systems, and so the term 'wireless' was just sort of engrained as referring to the optical flash system. This was simply carried over and continued into the Digital SLR world.

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[beholder3]

Did we have this here:
Google Übersetzer

[BrianR]

It's just like 'DFB' standing both for the German fencing association, and the German football association, and despite the fencing one being older and having born the acronym for a longer time, everyone now understands it to refer to football, and it is used that way in the media.

Seems like a missed opportunity to roll the two organizations under one brand and arm footballers with epees for a more exciting sport. I felt the same way about the WWF name dispute- I'd tune in (using my wireless remote*) to watch a spandex wearing muscle bound bombastic actor face off against a panda bear in the squared circle.


*I also wish we'd drop the vague 'wireless' and use more descriptive terms where applicable. In that vein, my tv remote communicates via smoke signals and I can't see a damn thing if I change the channel too frequently.

[FantasticMrFox]

Seems like a missed opportunity to roll the two organizations under one brand and arm footballers with epees for a more exciting sport.

I've always felt more excited about the possibility of trampoline fencing

[Gerard_Dirks]

Yongnuo never mentioned it. A few people speculated on forums based on nothing at all....but it was never on the cards for this model.

But there are plenty of other HSS capable third party flashes besides Pentax, and I'm sure Yongnuo will come up with a higher spec model soon enough.

Hello

I own one of the first 585EX. It is really a very good flash and in it is really nearly the same quality as my other Metz 52, 58 & 64 flash. One items I am missing. I haven't found any option to activate HSS. In the Manual it is not mentioned. Let's hope a firmware update will bring HSS

Regards
Gérard

[Gerard_Dirks]

Hello

I own one of the first 585EX. It is really a very good flash and in it is really nearly the same quality as my other Metz 52, 58 & 64 flash. One items I am missing. I haven't found any option to activate HSS. In the Manual it is not mentioned. Let's hope a firmware update will bring HSS

Regards
Gérard

Hello

I had in inquiry at yongnuo and they confirmed HSS isn't implemented and it is not planned to give this function in a future firmware Update.

Really a pity. I love this flash, it has a really good Power Management. But for HSS I will still need to use my Metz flashes!

[mcgregni]

Yes, we can all go and buy the Shanny Flash for our HSS needs, and the Yongnuo for our Wireless needs! We just need a new hybrid model, the Shannuo, that does it all !

[markl62]

Yes, we can all go and buy the Shanny Flash for our HSS needs, and the Yongnuo for our Wireless needs! We just need a new hybrid model, the Shannuo, that does it all !

Or pray & hope Shanny bring out a suitable trigger for off camera use.

[Leumas]

I'm having difficulty finding if my K-70 supports wireless optical P-TTL for off-camera flash??