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12-29-2016, 05:49 AM   #16
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I dont know the answer...But I do know unless they sort it out pretty quickly. I for one will leave the Pentax brand..I have been with for over 40 years,... In terms of Off Camera Flash. At present they are a long long way behind in terms of ease of use. products within the market place...


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I dont know the answer...But I do know unless they sort it out pretty quickly. I for one will leave the Pentax brand.. In terms of Off Camera Flash. At present they are a long long way behind in terms of ease of use. products within the market place...
With the R930T I think Pentax Lighting system isn't behind. in some sense. more advanced.

But I think the problem is market. If pentax make more share. it should have many third party partner.
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In terms of Off Camera Flash. At present they are a long long way behind in terms of ease of use.
What are you after?

There are very good solutions for full remote manual control.

There are also the Acon triggers that support P-TTL via radio. Not sure what their support is like for multiple off-camera flashes, but P-TTL isn't hot in that regard anyhow.

AFAIC, Pentax needs a successor to P-TTL that is at least as capable as Nikon's CLS.
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I dont know the answer...But I do know unless they sort it out pretty quickly. I for one will leave the Pentax brand.. In terms of Off Camera Flash. At present they are a long long way behind in terms of ease of use. products within the market place...
Tell us the sort of practical flash scenarios you are wanting to work with ...eg studio, outdoors, HSS, type of lights needed etc. There are many many Pentax users around producing professional quality flash results in all sorts of situations, so there is going to be a good solution for you, I'm sure!

I agree that for some more specialised techniques, eg multi-flash wireless HSS, there are more limited options than with Canon and Nikon, but it's all perfectly do-able, both automatic P-TTL optically with the Pentax own system, or now with a whole range of other brand HSS capable strobes and flashes, with the new Cactus V6II as 'HSS enabler'.

Let us know what you need to do and I'm sure the answers will pile in .... It's what we enjoy most around here!

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Im trying to put together a system to perform outdoor model shoots. "Overpower the sun" Not that we get much sun in the UK.. Fire high power strobes Not speedlights off camera. Or flash Guns as I still call them. Though this may be the case also. As additional lights. Ive purchased a Godox AD360ii-C, Flashpoint AD360ii in the US (Because it was the right price...) To do the job... which it will. With my K5ii.. In a manual mode. I wont be able to fire its in built HSS mode unless I spend more money purchasing the Cactus V6ii trigger system. Something the main brand users dont have to do. As they already have a compatible trigger system. Brought to them by the light manufacturer. Certainly cant fire its TTL system because P-TTL mode isnt supported.. Only the main brands will operate.. It would also be nice to use their AD600BM light. Or for the wealthy. The ProPhoto battery operated strobe systems.. But the same problems arise.. Rather than keep cobbling together different triggers and adapters. Its easier just to purchase a different camera system.

I do also have a Pentax AF540FGZ. but nothing to fire it HSS off camera.. Ordered a Shanny SN600FGZ. (Again the right price) But doesnt look like that will HSS off camera either..?

Sorry, Ive been a loyal Pentax user for over 35 years going back to the ME super. Stuck with the brand through think and thin.
Maybe i'm just having a grumble.....lol

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Fair enough, It's good to let off some steam! Firstly, no, the Shanny will not allow the Pentax 540 to fire as an HSS slave, as the Shanny does not offer Pentax wireless system functions. However the Pentax flash should be able to act as trigger for the Shanny working as a manual mode HSS slave, using it's SL2 mode. Set the Pentax to wireless HS control mode.

I don't use strobe type lights, so I'll let others comment there. .... No, you won't get proprietary radio TTL from a strobe maker for Pentax, but there are triggers that should let you work efficiently outdoors.
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. I wont be able to fire its in built HSS mode unless I spend more money purchasing the Cactus V6ii trigger system. Something the main brand users dont have to do. As they already have a compatible trigger system. Brought to them by the light manufacturer.
Yes, but not by Canon or Nikon, so why would Pentax?

Proprietary OEM flash systems are duds.

If you have five Nikon flashes for the setup you're talking, that's enormously expensuve, the CLS system will only put three in groups plus the controller, AFAIK, and Nikon like the others don't make strobes, just speedlights.

On Pentax you can buy an HSS Godox for Nikon strobe and use it with an Acon or Cactus trigger.

Complaining abiut the cost of the trigger is silly - HSS flash and strobing is an expensive game, the triggers are minor compared to the lights they go on.

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The reason Pentax should do it is that they are behind the curve in sales, and need to get the system to spread. When excellent third party dedicated flashes and remotes are now easier to find for the much newer Sony multifunction shoe than for PTTL, there is a problem.
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The reason Pentax should do it is that they are behind the curve in sales, and need to get the system to spread. When excellent third party dedicated flashes and remotes are now easier to find for the much newer Sony multifunction shoe than for PTTL, there is a problem.
Only someone without business sense opens a studio with Canon only or Nikon only strobes. You have generic triggers firing generic flashes.

You only need to work out if you want Bowens compatible modifiers or not.

I happily let my friends (who shoot all kinds of brands) borrow my Pentax or Yongnuo flashes and Cactus/Yongnuo triggers.

Canon have a dedicated radio flash control system, pros don't use it. They go with PocketWizards, Cowboys, etc. It would be a mistake for Pentax to develop one. They would have to charge more on all our cameras and lenses to get their money back!

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Im trying to put together a system to perform outdoor model shoots. "Overpower the sun"
Good luck...


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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
Only someone without business sense opens a studio with Canon only or Nikon only strobes. You have generic triggers firing generic flashes.

You only need to work out if you want Bowens compatible modifiers or not.

I happily let my friends (who shoot all kinds of brands) borrow my Pentax or Yongnuo flashes and Cactus/Yongnuo triggers.

Canon have a dedicated radio flash control system, pros don't use it. They go with PocketWizards, Cowboys, etc. It would be a mistake for Pentax to develop one. They would have to charge more on all our cameras and lenses to get their money back!
I don't disagree, but that was not what I was getting at with my point that Pentax should license their protocol to broaden their user base. What percentage of the sales of DSLRs do you think are for use in a studio by professionals?
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QuoteOriginally posted by stub Quote
Im trying to put together a system to perform outdoor model shoots. "Overpower the sun" Not that we get much sun in the UK.. Fire high power strobes Not speedlights off camera. Or flash Guns as I still call them. Though this may be the case also. As additional lights. Ive purchased a Godox AD360ii-C, Flashpoint AD360ii in the US (Because it was the right price...) To do the job... which it will. With my K5ii.. In a manual mode.

This may help shape your choices... HSS is unlikely to be needed if you use an ND filter as I understand it.

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I don't disagree, but that was not what I was getting at with my point that Pentax should license their protocol to broaden their user base. What percentage of the sales of DSLRs do you think are for use in a studio by professionals?
Yes, Gene, but since proprietary OEM flash systems don't sell to professionals for pricing and incompatibility reasons, they won't be attractive to prosumers or entry level buyers either.

Already, people I talk to can't believe a flash can cost more than a camera .



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This may help shape your choices... HSS is unlikely to be needed if you use an ND filter as I understand it.

Speedlite vs Studio Light Shootout | Can a Speedlite Match a Studio Strobe? - YouTube

Thanks I have ND filters.. Thats my point. without spending more money..That's my only choice. Something the main brands dont have to do..
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Yes, Gene, but since proprietary OEM flash systems don't sell to professionals for pricing and incompatibility reasons, they won't be attractive to prosumers or entry level buyers either.

Already, people I talk to can't believe a flash can cost more than a camera .
Agreed, and let's remember that Canon have severely limited the usefulness of their OEM 'RX' radio flash system by failing to offer an extra receiving unit to allow adding other basic flashes or non-radio Canon units into the mix.

Stub, tell us exactly what gear you would choose on an alternative system, then let's look at the costs, and see how it can be done on Pentax .....
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