Dissapointed with Metz 58

pentaxshooter · 09-05-2008, 01:58 PM

Normally, I do not bash equipment. But I just purchased a Metz 58 for use with my K20D, and hoped it would work so well that I would get another one for the other K20D I have (I shoot weddings).

Unfortunately, when I mounted it on the camera, it would not, (no matter what I did) talk to the K20D in P or GREEN modes.

And after further investigation, (which despite significant research was never apparent prior to this), it seems that many of the modes, particularly MANUAL will not work at all.

There were no updates on the Metz Website for the Pentax, so, alas, I have returned it to B&H and am waiting for my 540.

If anyone HAS made it work, please let me know...but for now, I remain disappointed.

Peter Zack · 09-05-2008, 02:06 PM

This is not good. I was looking hard at getting 2 of these (weddings as well) to 'upgrade' from the 540's I have. I like the 540's but my main beef with them is the crappy head locks can't hold the head up even with the lightest of diffusers attached.

I'm really surprised that the 58 seems to be totally incompatible. Sure you don't just have a defective one?

deejjjaaaa · 09-05-2008, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

This is not good. I was looking hard at getting 2 of these (weddings as well) to 'upgrade' from the 540's I have. I like the 540's but my main beef with them is the crappy head locks can't hold the head up even with the lightest of diffusers attached.

I'm really surprised that the 58 seems to be totally incompatible. Sure you don't just have a defective one?

or may be it is just K20D:Metz thing...

pentaxshooter · 09-05-2008, 02:14 PM

Well, the unit seemed to function perfectly on it's own and did fire in P and GREEN modes, though would not communicate PTTL info with the camera, so everything was over or underexposed depending on the mode.

Oh, I forgot to add that the wireless mode seemed to work fine....

As a techno-phile I was disappointed. If it was a bad unit, that's not good...and would probably cause me not to buy again.

I was a long-time Metz user when I was in Europe...

I am leaning towards this being some kind of interface issue between Metz and Pentax.....but I really have no idea...

Too bad...the extra "fill" flash was a nice idea....darn!

Snapshot12 · 09-05-2008, 02:38 PM

Metz 48 seems to be working fine on my K10D and K20D...

gawan · 09-05-2008, 02:49 PM

And Metz 58 on my K10D.

pentaxshooter · 09-05-2008, 02:53 PM

So, does placing the K20D in manual and the flash in manual work?

Will it fire the flash in modes other than P and GREEN?

According to the manual, dependent on the camera, some modes may not work.

FROM PAGE 96 of the Manual:

Depending on the type of camera, other flash modes may be supported.
These flash operating modes can be selected and activated in the mode
menu following a data transfer with the camera. Depending on the
system, some camera models (depending on the camera's operating
mode) only support the TTL-/P-TTL flash mode. Other flash modes (automatic
A, manual M etc.) cannot be selected or activated!

Last edited by pentaxshooter; 09-05-2008 at 02:59 PM. Reason: added sentence

pentaxshooter · 09-05-2008, 03:01 PM

I think I just answered some of my own questions:

Page 109 of the manual:

Manual flash exposure correction is possible in TTL/P-TTL flash mode only
if the camera supports this function (consult the camera’s operating
instructions). If the camera does not support this function, the adjusted
correction value will have no effect. For some camera models, the manual
flash exposure corrections must be adjusted on the camera. If this is the
case, no correction value will appear on the flash unit display.

kmanlaker · 09-05-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Snapshot12

Metz 48 seems to be working fine on my K10D and K20D...

the best way to shoot a metz flash is to use their own "auto" mode and forget the built in canon ettl or the nikon ttl and / or the pentax pttl ( i know i have the acronyms wrong ---- sorry

)

kman

drabina · 09-08-2008, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by kmanlaker

the best way to shoot a metz flash is to use their own "auto" mode and forget the built in canon ettl or the nikon ttl and / or the pentax pttl ( i know i have the acronyms wrong ---- sorry

)

kman

Does the Metz 48 have an auto mode? I thought it only had P-TTL and manual modes.

Thanks.

philbaum · 09-12-2008, 01:31 PM

Works in TAV, AV, P and Green, others i haven't tried.

Metz 48 does not have its own Auto mode like the Metz 58.

Also, if you are doing bounce off the ceiling, it will not go into the PTTL, has to be shooting horizontal.

Sorry if any of this is incorrect, i've only had it a short time as well.

The Metz 48 is wonderful in communicating with my K10, i can crank in different apertures on a lens and hear the motorized zoom on the flash zoom, way cool.

I gotta believe that either the OP has some misunderstanding of the built in auto mode (which i don't have) or perhaps has bumped into some other interlock like the ceiling bounce.

best luck in figuring it out.

Phil B.

deuces · 09-12-2008, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by philbaum

The Metz 48 is wonderful in communicating with my K10, i can crank in different apertures on a lens and hear the motorized zoom on the flash zoom, way cool.

Phil, assuming you're referring to AUTO, can you change flash exposure compensation on the body or the flash? I've read a TON of flash threads, and my brain thinks that in AUTO:

Pentax: manually input aperture, focal length, but can tweak exposure
Metz: reads aperture and focal length from body (awesome!) but can't tweak exposure

Also, that's very unfortunate about no P-TTL on bounce. Grr if the Metz had these two items, it would stand out above the AF540.

philbaum · 09-12-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by deuces

Phil, assuming you're referring to AUTO, can you change flash exposure compensation on the body or the flash? I've read a TON of flash threads, and my brain thinks that in AUTO:

Pentax: manually input aperture, focal length, but can tweak exposure
Metz: reads aperture and focal length from body (awesome!) but can't tweak exposure

Also, that's very unfortunate about no P-TTL on bounce. Grr if the Metz had these two items, it would stand out above the AF540.

Deuces,
Sorry, first my error. I tried it again to make sure, and the Metz 48 does have PTTL on bounce. It does not show the flash distance in the bounce mode and i think somehow i got this confused with PTTL. It will do PTTL in bounce.

Metz 48 does not have its own AUTO mode using the thrysister, or however thats spelled. But in PTTL, you can use the Fn menu to adjust the flash EV setting on the camera. Works great, did it yesterday. You can also adjust the flash EV setting on the flash. Not sure what would happen if you did both.

Metz doesn't have the AUTO so can't answer your questions on that and it can't act as a controller for wireless actuation of slaves. 58 also has some more power.

Matjazz · 09-15-2008, 06:59 AM

In P-TTL mode you can set flash exposure compensation on camera and on flash and they ad up. I'm not sure about flash compensation on camera in green mode, but I'm sure it can be set on flash.

In Auto mode (where flash uses it's own sensor)
-Pentax: you must set apeture and iso manually and change it in the flash each time you change it on the camera.
-Metz: flash reads aperture and iso from camera and you can set exposure compensation on flash in 1/3 steps. If flash is if camera in auto mode you can set aperture iso and exposure compensation.

Metz 58 has better auto mode than Pentax in every aspect. Metz 48 doesn't have auto mode at all.

Oh, I have the 58 and have used it on *Ist DS, K100d Super and K10D in all possible modes. It confirmed my high regard of Metz flashes.

09-05-2008, 01:58 PM	#1
pentaxshooter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal Photos: Gallery Posts: 199	Dissapointed with Metz 58 Normally, I do not bash equipment. But I just purchased a Metz 58 for use with my K20D, and hoped it would work so well that I would get another one for the other K20D I have (I shoot weddings). Unfortunately, when I mounted it on the camera, it would not, (no matter what I did) talk to the K20D in P or GREEN modes. And after further investigation, (which despite significant research was never apparent prior to this), it seems that many of the modes, particularly MANUAL will not work at all. There were no updates on the Metz Website for the Pentax, so, alas, I have returned it to B&H and am waiting for my 540. If anyone HAS made it work, please let me know...but for now, I remain disappointed.

09-12-2008, 01:31 PM	#11
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Metz 48 works fine with my K10 Works in TAV, AV, P and Green, others i haven't tried. Metz 48 does not have its own Auto mode like the Metz 58. Also, if you are doing bounce off the ceiling, it will not go into the PTTL, has to be shooting horizontal. Sorry if any of this is incorrect, i've only had it a short time as well. The Metz 48 is wonderful in communicating with my K10, i can crank in different apertures on a lens and hear the motorized zoom on the flash zoom, way cool. I gotta believe that either the OP has some misunderstanding of the built in auto mode (which i don't have) or perhaps has bumped into some other interlock like the ceiling bounce. best luck in figuring it out. Phil B.

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09-05-2008, 02:06 PM	#2
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	This is not good. I was looking hard at getting 2 of these (weddings as well) to 'upgrade' from the 540's I have. I like the 540's but my main beef with them is the crappy head locks can't hold the head up even with the lightest of diffusers attached. I'm really surprised that the 58 seems to be totally incompatible. Sure you don't just have a defective one?

09-05-2008, 02:08 PM	#3
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by Peter Zack This is not good. I was looking hard at getting 2 of these (weddings as well) to 'upgrade' from the 540's I have. I like the 540's but my main beef with them is the crappy head locks can't hold the head up even with the lightest of diffusers attached. I'm really surprised that the 58 seems to be totally incompatible. Sure you don't just have a defective one? or may be it is just K20D:Metz thing...

09-05-2008, 02:14 PM	#4
pentaxshooter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal Photos: Gallery Posts: 199 Original Poster	Well, the unit seemed to function perfectly on it's own and did fire in P and GREEN modes, though would not communicate PTTL info with the camera, so everything was over or underexposed depending on the mode. Oh, I forgot to add that the wireless mode seemed to work fine.... As a techno-phile I was disappointed. If it was a bad unit, that's not good...and would probably cause me not to buy again. I was a long-time Metz user when I was in Europe... I am leaning towards this being some kind of interface issue between Metz and Pentax.....but I really have no idea... Too bad...the extra "fill" flash was a nice idea....darn!

09-05-2008, 02:38 PM	#5
Snapshot12 Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 36	Metz 48 seems to be working fine on my K10D and K20D...

09-05-2008, 02:49 PM	#6
gawan Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Helsinki Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,400	And Metz 58 on my K10D.

09-05-2008, 02:53 PM	#7
pentaxshooter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal Photos: Gallery Posts: 199 Original Poster	So, does placing the K20D in manual and the flash in manual work? Will it fire the flash in modes other than P and GREEN? According to the manual, dependent on the camera, some modes may not work. FROM PAGE 96 of the Manual: Depending on the type of camera, other flash modes may be supported. These flash operating modes can be selected and activated in the mode menu following a data transfer with the camera. Depending on the system, some camera models (depending on the camera's operating mode) only support the TTL-/P-TTL flash mode. Other flash modes (automatic A, manual M etc.) cannot be selected or activated! Last edited by pentaxshooter; 09-05-2008 at 02:59 PM. Reason: added sentence

09-05-2008, 03:01 PM	#8
pentaxshooter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal Photos: Gallery Posts: 199 Original Poster	I think I just answered some of my own questions: Page 109 of the manual: Manual flash exposure correction is possible in TTL/P-TTL flash mode only if the camera supports this function (consult the camera’s operating instructions). If the camera does not support this function, the adjusted correction value will have no effect. For some camera models, the manual flash exposure corrections must be adjusted on the camera. If this is the case, no correction value will appear on the flash unit display.

09-05-2008, 09:10 PM	#9
kmanlaker Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Fort Wayne Posts: 136	Originally posted by Snapshot12 Metz 48 seems to be working fine on my K10D and K20D... the best way to shoot a metz flash is to use their own "auto" mode and forget the built in canon ettl or the nikon ttl and / or the pentax pttl ( i know i have the acronyms wrong ---- sorry ) kman

09-08-2008, 07:51 AM	#10
drabina Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 525	Originally posted by kmanlaker the best way to shoot a metz flash is to use their own "auto" mode and forget the built in canon ettl or the nikon ttl and / or the pentax pttl ( i know i have the acronyms wrong ---- sorry ) kman Does the Metz 48 have an auto mode? I thought it only had P-TTL and manual modes. Thanks.

09-12-2008, 02:13 PM	#12
deuces Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 168	Originally posted by philbaum The Metz 48 is wonderful in communicating with my K10, i can crank in different apertures on a lens and hear the motorized zoom on the flash zoom, way cool. Phil, assuming you're referring to AUTO, can you change flash exposure compensation on the body or the flash? I've read a TON of flash threads, and my brain thinks that in AUTO: Pentax: manually input aperture, focal length, but can tweak exposure Metz: reads aperture and focal length from body (awesome!) but can't tweak exposure Also, that's very unfortunate about no P-TTL on bounce. Grr if the Metz had these two items, it would stand out above the AF540.

09-12-2008, 03:14 PM	#13
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by deuces Phil, assuming you're referring to AUTO, can you change flash exposure compensation on the body or the flash? I've read a TON of flash threads, and my brain thinks that in AUTO: Pentax: manually input aperture, focal length, but can tweak exposure Metz: reads aperture and focal length from body (awesome!) but can't tweak exposure Also, that's very unfortunate about no P-TTL on bounce. Grr if the Metz had these two items, it would stand out above the AF540. Deuces, Sorry, first my error. I tried it again to make sure, and the Metz 48 does have PTTL on bounce. It does not show the flash distance in the bounce mode and i think somehow i got this confused with PTTL. It will do PTTL in bounce. Metz 48 does not have its own AUTO mode using the thrysister, or however thats spelled. But in PTTL, you can use the Fn menu to adjust the flash EV setting on the camera. Works great, did it yesterday. You can also adjust the flash EV setting on the flash. Not sure what would happen if you did both. Metz doesn't have the AUTO so can't answer your questions on that and it can't act as a controller for wireless actuation of slaves. 58 also has some more power.

09-15-2008, 06:59 AM	#14
Matjazz Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: EU/Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 774	In P-TTL mode you can set flash exposure compensation on camera and on flash and they ad up. I'm not sure about flash compensation on camera in green mode, but I'm sure it can be set on flash. In Auto mode (where flash uses it's own sensor) -Pentax: you must set apeture and iso manually and change it in the flash each time you change it on the camera. -Metz: flash reads aperture and iso from camera and you can set exposure compensation on flash in 1/3 steps. If flash is if camera in auto mode you can set aperture iso and exposure compensation. Metz 58 has better auto mode than Pentax in every aspect. Metz 48 doesn't have auto mode at all. Oh, I have the 58 and have used it on *Ist DS, K100d Super and K10D in all possible modes. It confirmed my high regard of Metz flashes.