How to work HSS with Shanny SN600FGZ?

**Kobie** · 06-18-2018, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Well, that is strange. What happens on cameras that don't support the O-GPS1 (e.g. Pentax K-x, K-r, and others), I wonder?

Steve

That's a good question and my guess is that the Shanny wouldn't be reliable with those cameras. Pentax did change something with the flash protocols after K-x and K-r. No idea what they changed but I recall that some flashes would work with some cameras and not others do to this change,

stevebrot · 06-18-2018, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Kobie

Pentax did change something with the flash protocols after K-x and K-r. No idea what they changed but I recall that some flashes would work with some cameras and not others do to this change,

I vaguely remember that. I don't know that Pentax changed protocols as much as the reverse-engineered emulations having a few of the details wrong to start with. That was particularly true for optical wireless where cross-brand capability was often very poor. Pentax did augment the protocol with the release of the current generation flash in late 2013, but did so without breaking compatibility overall to previous generation Pentax P-TTL models. My K-3, has native support for the AF360/540FGZ II but still fully supported the previous P-TTL flash models.

Steve

**Kobie** · 06-19-2018, 06:35 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Kobie

No problem! I've had the Shanny now for a number of months and I notice that there isn't much user feedback/reviews/knowledge shared for our SN600FGZ's so figured I'd share my findings.
I also plan to do a youtube walkthrough/demo/review of it in stages (part 1, 2, 3 etc).
It's a great flash, the only problem I really have is ZERO communication/response from Shanny directly regarding any of my questions (both email and direct on their FB page).

Just put up my overview for those interested.

Youtu.be

rawr · 06-19-2018, 07:04 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kobie

Just put up my overview for those interested.

Thanks for doing this video. Very informative, very useful.

I hope Shanny pay some attention to your comments.

T Evergreen · 06-19-2018, 07:10 AM - **1 Like**

Nice review of the Shanny, Kobie. The flash is currently selling for $108 US with free shipping from China on New Arrival Shanny SN600FGZ P TTL GN60 1/8000s Slave On Camera Flash speedlite for Pentax K100 K100D K200D K 7 K x K r K 5 K 01 -in Flashes from Consumer Electronics on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group

The price is a 10% discount and is good for four days. Regular price is $120.

stub · 06-19-2018, 10:59 AM - **1 Like**

watched the video ok for beginners looking forward to part 2

**Kobie** · 06-19-2018, 02:44 PM

Give me some time, I'll start putting the part 2 together soon. At least that's my plan.
Is there anything specific you'd like me to cover or demonstrate?

stub · 06-19-2018, 10:56 PM - **1 Like**

Just the in use. I think its a very underrated flash unit. People get hung up because we don't have cheap triggers. Its far more versatile than the Yongnuo YN560 and far cheaper than the AF540.

Amoon · 06-20-2018, 12:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kobie

Just put up my overview for those interested.
Pentax Shanny SN 600 FGZ Overview - YouTube

I found your video on Youtube this afternoon. Thank you very much for this!
For part II, seeing the Shanny in action would be enough... HSS of course

**Kobie** · 06-20-2018, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by stub

Just the in use. I think its a very underrated flash unit. People get hung up because we don't have cheap triggers. Its far more versatile than the Yongnuo YN560 and far cheaper than the AF540.

I agree.

---------- Post added 06-20-18 at 09:11 AM ----------

Originally posted by Amoon

I found your video on Youtube this afternoon. Thank you very much for this!
For part II, seeing the Shanny in action would be enough... HSS of course

Noted and naturally HSS is in high order lol

**Kobie** · 06-20-2018, 11:57 PM - **2 Likes**

Not the greatest results (regarding balanced background light to the flash).
I'll be spending more time on my next video to show proper balanced exposure in both normal P-TTL and HSS as well as manual and show from minimal power output to 1/1. Just to show how powerful the flash can be.
Now, one thi.... No, a couple of things to note for this video.
1) I only concentrated on exposure of the subject.
2) Don't ask me what the heck happened regarding shutter speed of 1/50 second (I did NOT touch the dial, and when flash was turned on, camera went right back to 1/1250th).
3) In the video you see me look a few times at the flash, I had the flash on earlier and removed it from the camera while still powered on (dumb I know) and when I put it back in the hot shoe (powered off) I was having an issue getting it to communicate so while shooting the video, I kept checking to make sure all was good. I wasn't changing any settings.

Well, now to the video...

Youtu.be

rawr · 06-21-2018, 12:37 AM - **1 Like**

A useful video.

Maybe the shooting scenario didn't really need HSS, but a handy demo of the capability.

mcgregni · 06-21-2018, 02:33 AM - **1 Like**

Ha ha, the dog didn't do too bad, you should come around and try some HSS with my lot running around in the garden ...nightmare!

It's good to see those flash exposures looking ok, and there's plenty of power available by the look of it. I'd try to get the exposure time down to around 1/2000th and see if you can scrape more brightness out of the flash (try some plus flash compensations). I have found that 1/2000th is the sort of point where a hotshoe type flash starts to struggle. Always maintain a fixed ISO100 for this, and for all HSS work.

Generally I'd be doing these tests, (and actual HSS photography) in M camera mode ...a variable ISO is the last thing we want for HSS working, and you'll be able to keep a firm grip on your ambient exposure and create your desired balance between ambient and flash with this firm grip. Perhaps you could use the long view towards the trampoline with the sky to show the ambient exposure, and put a subject close to you on a table close to you (some flowers or something). This should allow a clear demonstration of the effects of independent exposure control over background and subject.

**Kobie** · 06-21-2018, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by mcgregni

Ha ha, the dog didn't do too bad, you should come around and try some HSS with my lot running around in the garden ...nightmare!

It's good to see those flash exposures looking ok, and there's plenty of power available by the look of it. I'd try to get the exposure time down to around 1/2000th and see if you can scrape more brightness out of the flash (try some plus flash compensations). I have found that 1/2000th is the sort of point where a hotshoe type flash starts to struggle. Always maintain a fixed ISO100 for this, and for all HSS work.

Generally I'd be doing these tests, (and actual HSS photography) in M camera mode ...a variable ISO is the last thing we want for HSS working, and you'll be able to keep a firm grip on your ambient exposure and create your desired balance between ambient and flash with this firm grip. Perhaps you could use the long view towards the trampoline with the sky to show the ambient exposure, and put a subject close to you on a table close to you (some flowers or something). This should allow a clear demonstration of the effects of independent exposure control over background and subject.

Very good idea. I will incorporate that for the next one. Thanks!

**Kobie** · 06-21-2018, 10:25 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kobie

Very good idea. I will incorporate that for the next one. Thanks!

As requested, here you go!

Youtu.be

06-19-2018, 02:44 PM	#22
Kobie Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bowmanville Photos: Albums Posts: 1,211	Thank you all Give me some time, I'll start putting the part 2 together soon. At least that's my plan. Is there anything specific you'd like me to cover or demonstrate?

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06-18-2018, 03:41 PM	#16
Kobie Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bowmanville Photos: Albums Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by stevebrot Well, that is strange. What happens on cameras that don't support the O-GPS1 (e.g. Pentax K-x, K-r, and others), I wonder? Steve That's a good question and my guess is that the Shanny wouldn't be reliable with those cameras. Pentax did change something with the flash protocols after K-x and K-r. No idea what they changed but I recall that some flashes would work with some cameras and not others do to this change,

06-18-2018, 08:43 PM	#17
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Kobie Pentax did change something with the flash protocols after K-x and K-r. No idea what they changed but I recall that some flashes would work with some cameras and not others do to this change, I vaguely remember that. I don't know that Pentax changed protocols as much as the reverse-engineered emulations having a few of the details wrong to start with. That was particularly true for optical wireless where cross-brand capability was often very poor. Pentax did augment the protocol with the release of the current generation flash in late 2013, but did so without breaking compatibility overall to previous generation Pentax P-TTL models. My K-3, has native support for the AF360/540FGZ II but still fully supported the previous P-TTL flash models. Steve

06-19-2018, 07:04 AM - 1 Like	#19
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Kobie Just put up my overview for those interested. Thanks for doing this video. Very informative, very useful. I hope Shanny pay some attention to your comments.

06-19-2018, 07:10 AM - 1 Like	#20
T Evergreen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 197	Nice review of the Shanny, Kobie. The flash is currently selling for $108 US with free shipping from China on New Arrival Shanny SN600FGZ P TTL GN60 1/8000s Slave On Camera Flash speedlite for Pentax K100 K100D K200D K 7 K x K r K 5 K 01 -in Flashes from Consumer Electronics on Aliexpress.com \| Alibaba Group The price is a 10% discount and is good for four days. Regular price is $120.

06-19-2018, 10:59 AM - 1 Like	#21
stub Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Manchester Photos: Gallery Posts: 227	watched the video ok for beginners looking forward to part 2

06-19-2018, 10:56 PM - 1 Like	#23
stub Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Manchester Photos: Gallery Posts: 227	Just the in use. I think its a very underrated flash unit. People get hung up because we don't have cheap triggers. Its far more versatile than the Yongnuo YN560 and far cheaper than the AF540.

06-20-2018, 12:27 AM - 1 Like	#24
Amoon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 155 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kobie Just put up my overview for those interested. Pentax Shanny SN 600 FGZ Overview - YouTube I found your video on Youtube this afternoon. Thank you very much for this! For part II, seeing the Shanny in action would be enough... HSS of course

06-20-2018, 06:10 AM	#25
Kobie Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bowmanville Photos: Albums Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by stub Just the in use. I think its a very underrated flash unit. People get hung up because we don't have cheap triggers. Its far more versatile than the Yongnuo YN560 and far cheaper than the AF540. I agree. ---------- Post added 06-20-18 at 09:11 AM ---------- Originally posted by Amoon I found your video on Youtube this afternoon. Thank you very much for this! For part II, seeing the Shanny in action would be enough... HSS of course Noted and naturally HSS is in high order lol

06-21-2018, 12:37 AM - 1 Like	#27
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	A useful video. Maybe the shooting scenario didn't really need HSS, but a handy demo of the capability.

06-21-2018, 02:33 AM - 1 Like	#28
mcgregni Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 2,603	Ha ha, the dog didn't do too bad, you should come around and try some HSS with my lot running around in the garden ...nightmare! It's good to see those flash exposures looking ok, and there's plenty of power available by the look of it. I'd try to get the exposure time down to around 1/2000th and see if you can scrape more brightness out of the flash (try some plus flash compensations). I have found that 1/2000th is the sort of point where a hotshoe type flash starts to struggle. Always maintain a fixed ISO100 for this, and for all HSS work. Generally I'd be doing these tests, (and actual HSS photography) in M camera mode ...a variable ISO is the last thing we want for HSS working, and you'll be able to keep a firm grip on your ambient exposure and create your desired balance between ambient and flash with this firm grip. Perhaps you could use the long view towards the trampoline with the sky to show the ambient exposure, and put a subject close to you on a table close to you (some flowers or something). This should allow a clear demonstration of the effects of independent exposure control over background and subject.

06-21-2018, 05:55 AM	#29
Kobie Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bowmanville Photos: Albums Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by mcgregni Ha ha, the dog didn't do too bad, you should come around and try some HSS with my lot running around in the garden ...nightmare! It's good to see those flash exposures looking ok, and there's plenty of power available by the look of it. I'd try to get the exposure time down to around 1/2000th and see if you can scrape more brightness out of the flash (try some plus flash compensations). I have found that 1/2000th is the sort of point where a hotshoe type flash starts to struggle. Always maintain a fixed ISO100 for this, and for all HSS work. Generally I'd be doing these tests, (and actual HSS photography) in M camera mode ...a variable ISO is the last thing we want for HSS working, and you'll be able to keep a firm grip on your ambient exposure and create your desired balance between ambient and flash with this firm grip. Perhaps you could use the long view towards the trampoline with the sky to show the ambient exposure, and put a subject close to you on a table close to you (some flowers or something). This should allow a clear demonstration of the effects of independent exposure control over background and subject. Very good idea. I will incorporate that for the next one. Thanks!