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04-10-2019, 12:12 AM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by morenjavi Quote
Thanks inkista, interesting info.
I have my old AD360 and I'm still deciding if keep it or change for another AD200. I'll do depending on how how much I use TTL and remote HSS control, but I've thinking about it some time.
Well, the AD360 can do HSS with an XPro-P. You just need to use an XTR16 receiver, and set HSS on the AD360 itself. But yeah, no TTL over radio; only via the foot and that means only for Canikon.

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The only display one really needs to be able to read is that of the trigger, no?
Well, not if you want to check the trigger and the light are communicating settings properly.

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For the odd adjustment that is necessary on the AD200 (PRO) unit itself, one can shade the display with one hand, no?
Which hand? The one that's holding the camera or the one adjusting the transmitter? And isn't the point of an off-camera flash that it's not necessarily right next to you? I'm not an AD200 user, though.

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Ideally, the display would work under all conditions but if it were a question of adding to the retail price of an AD200 PRO when using a brighter display, I personally would prefer the cheaper version.
To each their own. I've seen the opposite view: happy to pay higher prices if they could actually read the display out in the sunlight. Some folks say it's not a big issue, others that it's virtually unreadable. As a Southern Californian who shoots on sunny beaches a lot, I can see it going either way.

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QuoteOriginally posted by inkista Quote
SIGNIFICANT NEW FEATURES INCLUDE...
Additionally, recycling time has been reduced from ~2s to 0.9s1.8s (earlier figure was not correct).

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QuoteOriginally posted by inkista Quote
Well, not if you want to check the trigger and the light are communicating settings properly.
A few testshots will clarify that.

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Which hand? The one that's holding the camera or the one adjusting the transmitter?
When making adjustments to the flash unit itself, you'll have both hands free. If you are holding the camera, you'll be dealing with the trigger, no?

It is such a rare occasion when you actually need to use the flash's display. If you got multiple units, you can even leave their group settings untouched and colour-code them so that you know which unit is in group A, etc.

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And isn't the point of an off-camera flash that it's not necessarily right next to you?
Of course.

However, when it is not next to you, you won't stand much chance to read the display anyhow (and there is no need to either).
The normal adjustments can be achieved via the trigger and if you really need to deal with the flash unit itself (e.g., to change the radio channel; which would be a rare occurrence) then you'll be next to it and have both hands free.

I don't want to argue against improvements and a brighter display would certainly be welcome, I'm just saying that I don't find it to be an issue in practice.
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Hi again. Robert Hall made another video comparing V1 vs V860II. Here's the link:
Regards.

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Robert Hall made another video comparing V1 vs V860II.
Thanks for sharing.

Rob Hall is always a good source to get some advance info on Godox products as Godox provides him with prototypes (and final production versions) to promote the products on his channel.

I'm writing "promote" because that's what he eventually decided to do. Earlier, you could find videos from Rob Hall in which he made fair comparisons of Godox products, e.g., to Jinbei, pointing out advantages and disadvantages of Godox products. These videos were excellent because he talked from experience and didn't apply bias.

Nowadays, you'll mostly get the positive spin on Godox products with a small niggle thrown in here and there which is always qualified as not being a big issue in the grand scheme of things. There will almost invariably be downsides that he doesn't mention though.

So one shouldn't confuse his product reports as proper reviews. I commend him for his measurements (although his single point light meter tests are flawed) but you just won't give you the full picture from him (or any other channel that has an interest to help sell products for one reason or another).

For instance, when he compared Godox to other brands like Broncolor and Profoto, he mentioned a lot of differences but conveniently had no time in an "already long video" to mention the fact that Godox does not provide any kind of service, in stark contrast to the international professional service one gets from the other brands. I prefer the Godox products myself, but the crucial advice is to buy from a reputable seller like Adorama because that's the only source you'll get any kind of support when your equipment develops a fault.

N.B., Rob Hall did a follow up video and still did not find the time to mention the difference in support. In my book, that's shilling, not reviewing.

In another video about the R2T Mark II he said he "wasn't sure whether the batteries were fully charged" that he put into the R2T Mark II that only showed two bars. So he didn't have time to top off the charge of the batteries but invested the time to put in an "R2D2" animation into the video. He also said that "time will tell" how good the AF-assist light will be as it didn't feature a grid, while in his last video he praises Godox for ditching the useless grid-less AF-assist light to replace it with a proper AF-assisst (this time, for some reason, not mentioning that he personally never uses AF-assist lights and hence personally doesn't care and wouldn't be qualified to test/comment).

In the particular video you shared, I give Rob Hall credit for pointing out that a small round head doesn't give you softer light than a small rectangular head. However, his point about "more pleasant, even light that falls off much nicer (sic)"
  • is irrelevant in most cases because one cannot recognise the "fall off".
  • should really be a point about the pretty horrible pattern of the V860II. Other speedlights with a rectangular heads produce much smoother patterns, so that the difference to the V1 is just the shape.
He didn't mention
  1. that the round pattern of the V1 is wasteful if you are going to use as an on-axis light. The V1 is simply just not "not more powerful than the V860II, sorry", it provides less output for on-axis usage, which explains its comparatively low GN number.
  2. whether the V1 fits into the Godox Bowens mount adapter. Seems to be going to be a bad fit, at least.
  3. that the official recycle time is 1.8 and I measured it to be around 1.6-1.7s (not 1.3s as stated).
  4. that the magnetic modifier system would work best for an off-camera flash but that the V1 is very much geared towards being used on the camera.
  5. that the V1 is lacking a tripod thread to support better mounting options, e.g., on light stands or tripods.
In summary, he could have pointed out the tension the V1 is exposed to by combining features of on-camera flashes and off-camera flashes that in combination aren't entirely convincing. Such an analysis would not have the purpose of trashing a design/product but would help to assist manufacturers in designing more coherent products in the future and help users make more informed decisions.

To be clear: I think the V1 is a very useful product. I think Godox make incredibly useful gear in general (sometimes flawed in unnecessary ways, in particular regarding usability, but overall fantastic value). I think that Rob Hall provides useful information. I think that Rob Hall makes many good points and I value the information he provides. All I'm saying is that one unfortunately does not get the full picture from Rob Hall.

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...All I'm saying is that one unfortunately does not get the full picture from Rob Hall.
I think Hall makes all that pretty darn clear when he mentions he's being sponsored by Adorama in his videos. I agree, his reviews were probably fairer and wider ranging when he wasn't, but also, considering the amount of time and testing he puts into his videos, getting paid for that time somehow (aside from YT views) was inevitably going to happen.
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I think Hall makes all that pretty darn clear when he mentions he's being sponsored by Adorama in his videos.
He was doing the Godox promotion before becoming Adorama-sponsored, though.

Anyhow, I wouldn't be surprised if he started to sing the praise of Profoto more, given the Adorama connection. As soon as Profoto gets their act together and releases a proper trigger which supports a display showing all power levels, I predict that he'll start telling the world how great Profoto is.
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Well, the AD360 can do HSS with an XPro-P. You just need to use an XTR16 receiver, and set HSS on the AD360 itself. But yeah, no TTL over radio; only via the foot and that means only for Canikon.
Thanks for the appointment. Yes I do HSS this way with the XPro-P . I used the 'stacking way' before having the XPro-P. But the AD360 have no TTL capabilities, regardless if you use the foor or not. Maybe you are referring to the mk2 version? Anyway, the point for me is to balance power vs ease of handling. With my AD200 I can get a decent pic really quick by using TTL, If I'm in a hurry; and TTL works reasonably well, so useful for quick pics on the outside.

The problem with the AD360 if that, yes, you have to manually enable/disable HSS, it's limited to 1/8 and, I always thought, that you need to change power also manually in HSS mode. But after reading your comment I checked again and, to my surprise, I could change power without issue by using the trigger. I'm sure I did the same test time ago and I couldn't change it remotely.

Do I usually need the extra power of the AD360? That's the question . The AD200 is so portable and full of features. Most of the time I'm using the AD200 only.

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