Small flash for KP

Bertrand3000 · 05-31-2021, 07:00 AM

I was not able to fire the Godox with the KP in wireless control mode. Only thing I was able to do is to fire the KP flash in a regular mode and it will also fire the Godox when set in optical slave. How could the KP tell the flash the needed power for TTL?

That said if someone was able to do TTL with TT350P as a optical slave I am interested!

**Bob 256** · 05-31-2021, 07:06 AM - **1 Like**

I have the AF201 which I use with my K-1 for a simple flash and it works great if you don't need a lot of flash power. It does coverage of my 28mm lens quite well (has a pop-out and fold-over diffusion screen for wide angle use) - auto mode and two manual power modes, and really compact. You're right, it doesn't have slave capability but I always use it in my flash shoe atop the camera so that isn't an issue for me (I have a small hot-shoe clip on slave adapter should I need to use the flash off camera which I haven't used to date - I have more powerful slaves for that if needed and they trigger off the AF201). There are reviews of the AF201 here:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/accessoryreviews/pentax-af-201fg.html

And also the Amazon listing with some reviews here:

https://www.amazon.com/Pentax-AF201FG-Flash-Black/dp/B00TF6TQPA

Settesz · 05-31-2021, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Bertrand3000

I was not able to fire the Godox with the KP in wireless control mode. Only thing I was able to do is to fire the KP flash in a regular mode and it will also fire the Godox when set in optical slave. How could the KP tell the flash the needed power for TTL?

That said if someone was able to do TTL with TT350P as a optical slave I am interested!

My bad, I was pretty sure I've read somewhere that it was working with KP flash as controller but it seems it only works as a "dumb" slave.
There are flashes that work with KP pop-up as controller in p-TTL, all instructions are sent by flash and preflash. It's a real pity that Godox don't.:/
Still it looks like a winner.

**WPRESTO** · 05-31-2021, 06:18 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by AfterPentax Mark II

I would go for the Metz Mecablitz 26 AF2. Which is a terrific and very solid little flash. German Quality with capital Q. The AF1 version is also very good and a bit cheaper (difference is in the video light I believe, but not certain). This Dutch webshop delivers to Poland as they do deliver all over Europe (EU) (Behind your scenes - De foto- en videospecialist). It is the cheapest option at the moment. Good luck!

FYI: The Metz 26 AF1 was designed for and works only on APS-C format. It will work perfectly on a KP but will only work on a Pentax K1 in crop mode. The METZ AF 2 will operate on both APS-C and FF sensor cameras.

sbc · 06-01-2021, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by Settesz

Hi,

Metz 26 AF2-seems bigger, is a little stronger, no WR but way cheaper and can serve as a wireless slave.
Do you have any experience with them?

The Pentax is actually stronger. Many people make the mistake of comparing just the stated GN. What you should be comparing is the total lumen.
The Pentax can bounce backwards. The Metz goes up vertically only.
The Pentax covers up to 20mm, the Metz 24mm.

AfterPentax Mark II · 06-01-2021, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by WPRESTO

FYI: The Metz 26 AF1 was designed for and works only on APS-C format. It will work perfectly on a KP but will only work on a Pentax K1 in crop mode. The METZ AF 2 will operate on both APS-C and FF sensor cameras.

According to Metz Mecablitz they are almost the same, except for this: "Depending on the camera, the flash also offers a slave mode, for making wireless TTL flash. A suitable flash stand for switching the position of the flash aside the camera is now included." Metz nowhere specifies if one or the other AF26 is specific for use with APS-C or FF. I have looked it up in the manual and the AF1 is suited for both formats. It also more clearly indicated that it is useful for video instead of this descripition "lights up even motion picture photography.".

**WPRESTO** · 06-01-2021, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by AfterPentax Mark II

According to Metz Mecablitz they are almost the same, except for this: "Depending on the camera, the flash also offers a slave mode, for making wireless TTL flash. A suitable flash stand for switching the position of the flash aside the camera is now included." Metz nowhere specifies if one or the other AF26 is specific for use with APS-C or FF. I have looked it up in the manual and the AF1 is suited for both formats. It also more clearly indicated that it is useful for video instead of this descripition "lights up even motion picture photography.".

FYI: I had an AF26 original for my K3. When I put it on my new K1 it would only fire when the camera was in crop mode. It would not fire in FF mode. I bought a 26AF 2 which functioned correctly on both the K3 and K1.

**Wingincamera** · 06-01-2021, 01:22 PM - **3 Likes**

You could get two Godox/Flashpoint TT350's. One can be used as a transmitter and the other as a slave.

inkista · 06-02-2021, 03:30 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Settesz

You sure about that? I read somewhere that it supports p-TTL as optical slave so it should work with KP pop-up this way.

Just confirming this is incorrect. None of the TT350/V350 models support "smart" optical slave/TTL-capable communication. The only optical slaving on the TT350 are the "dumb" S1/S2 modes.

Of the TT685/V860 II models, only the Canon, Nikon, and Sony ones do "smart" optical wireless [which completely bummed me out because I have a Panasonic GX7 which has MFT's "RC" master capability in its pop-up flash and a TT350-O]. And Godox removed smart optical on the V1 and nearly all the AD Witstros (I think only the AD600 [non-Pro] ever had it for Canon and Nikon). Chances are good, in my opinion, that the V860 III will follow suit, as would any update to the TT685.

Nearly every Godox reviewer, like Robert Hall, has been annoyed that smart optical modes even exist on the TT685/V860 II. But then, very few people could afford OEM gear and use the OEM smart optical wireless flash systems. I still miss TTL group ratios with Canon's wireless system; a feature only Profoto emulates with radio flash.

I don't think Pentax, Fuji, or MFT are ever going to get any smart optical-capable gear out of Godox.

Settesz · 06-03-2021, 02:12 AM

It seems there's also Metz m400 wchich just has it all but is a bit more expensive.

Edit: But seeing how small it is and that it supports wireless optical p-TTL(as a slave) and costs only 35e I'm rolling with Metz 26af2 for now.

I think it will supplement my KP nicely.

https://thedigitalstory.com/2019/01/Metz-mecablitz-26-AF2-review.html

inkista · 06-03-2021, 10:18 PM - **1 Like**

As long as you're fine with Metz being out of business (sigh).

pinholecam · 06-04-2021, 02:02 AM

Curious about the advantage/need for optical pTTL?

Wouldn't 2 Godox TT350 used as one master one slave in freq based pTTL be more efficient/reliable? Or just get the transmitter and one TT350?

Bertrand3000 · 06-04-2021, 02:28 AM

Another possibility is to use a godox transmitter or TT350P on the hot shoe and another TTL Godox like a TT685 for another brand (canon...), it is supposed to work but I have not tested it.

With the TT600 it will work but no TTL even as a slave of the TT350P.

Settesz · 06-04-2021, 02:42 AM

I want it as light as possibile. I can easily put Metz 26 on my pocket and then just put it somewhere on the side and trigger it with KP pop-up with p-TTL. It's as light as it gets. To do the same with Godox I would need either 2 flashes or flash and a radio trigger or to manually set the flash strenght(wchich I don't really like to do outside of studio). Also Godox doesnt look all that lighter than Pentax AF540FGZ II wchich I already have.
Funny thing is that in studio work I only use flashes in manual mode.

inkista · 06-04-2021, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Bertrand3000

Another possibility is to use a godox transmitter or TT350P on the hot shoe and another TTL Godox like a TT685 for another brand (canon...), it is supposed to work but I have not tested it.

With the TT600 it will work but no TTL even as a slave of the TT350P.

It will work. All the TTL Godox speedlights can be TTL/HSS radio masters, too.

But the TT600 being single pin, no TTL or HSS as radio master.

---------- Post added 06-04-21 at 02:42 PM ----------

Originally posted by Settesz

I want it as light as possibile. I can easily put Metz 26 on my pocket and then just put it somewhere on the side and trigger it with KP pop-up with p-TTL. It's as light as it gets.

Yeah, it's really sounding like this is your best bet. It really sucks that Nissin never made a Pentax version of the i40, because that would probably be perfect for what you want.

Quote:

To do the same with Godox I would need either 2 flashes or flash and a radio trigger or to manually set the flash strength (which I don't really like to do outside of studio).

But if you do it in a studio, it's not that much harder doing it outside a studio.

And all the Godox speedlights *do* have the S1/S2 dumb slave modes. The problem is if you're going to need HSS for daylight fill, because you won't have that, either. And then tacking ND filters on top of everything else just further screws up the go-light/simple thing.

Quote:

Also Godox doesn't look all that lighter than Pentax AF540FGZ II which I already have.

Specs say it's 200g vs. 350g without batteries.[/URL]. Where it might lose the most weight/bulk, though, is that it only uses 2xAA vs. the AF540FGZII being 4xAA.

It's much smaller than my Canon 430EX, which was the smaller mid-level speedlight below the full-sized 580EX. More coat pocketable, though, than pants-pocketable.

Quote:

Funny thing is that in studio work I only use flashes in manual mode.

If you have triggering gear that lets you TTL lock (e.g., Godox's TCM feature; where the TTL set power level gets locked into M), I highly recommend you consider experimenting with TTL with off-camera flash, at least for any one-light setups. You might be surprised at how useful it can be to have any iso, aperture, or distance changes be transparent to the flash exposure. I sure as hell was.

05-31-2021, 07:06 AM - 1 Like	#17
Bob 256 Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Idaho Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	I have the AF201 which I use with my K-1 for a simple flash and it works great if you don't need a lot of flash power. It does coverage of my 28mm lens quite well (has a pop-out and fold-over diffusion screen for wide angle use) - auto mode and two manual power modes, and really compact. You're right, it doesn't have slave capability but I always use it in my flash shoe atop the camera so that isn't an issue for me (I have a small hot-shoe clip on slave adapter should I need to use the flash off camera which I haven't used to date - I have more powerful slaves for that if needed and they trigger off the AF201). There are reviews of the AF201 here: https://www.pentaxforums.com/accessoryreviews/pentax-af-201fg.html And also the Amazon listing with some reviews here: https://www.amazon.com/Pentax-AF201FG-Flash-Black/dp/B00TF6TQPA Last edited by Bob 256; 05-31-2021 at 07:20 AM.

06-01-2021, 09:33 AM	#21
AfterPentax Mark II Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1,462	Originally posted by WPRESTO FYI: The Metz 26 AF1 was designed for and works only on APS-C format. It will work perfectly on a KP but will only work on a Pentax K1 in crop mode. The METZ AF 2 will operate on both APS-C and FF sensor cameras. According to Metz Mecablitz they are almost the same, except for this: "Depending on the camera, the flash also offers a slave mode, for making wireless TTL flash. A suitable flash stand for switching the position of the flash aside the camera is now included." Metz nowhere specifies if one or the other AF26 is specific for use with APS-C or FF. I have looked it up in the manual and the AF1 is suited for both formats. It also more clearly indicated that it is useful for video instead of this descripition "lights up even motion picture photography.". Last edited by AfterPentax Mark II; 06-01-2021 at 09:38 AM. Reason: adding a new line

06-02-2021, 03:30 PM - 1 Like	#24
inkista Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 256	Originally posted by Settesz You sure about that? I read somewhere that it supports p-TTL as optical slave so it should work with KP pop-up this way. Just confirming this is incorrect. None of the TT350/V350 models support "smart" optical slave/TTL-capable communication. The only optical slaving on the TT350 are the "dumb" S1/S2 modes. Of the TT685/V860 II models, only the Canon, Nikon, and Sony ones do "smart" optical wireless [which completely bummed me out because I have a Panasonic GX7 which has MFT's "RC" master capability in its pop-up flash and a TT350-O]. And Godox removed smart optical on the V1 and nearly all the AD Witstros (I think only the AD600 [non-Pro] ever had it for Canon and Nikon). Chances are good, in my opinion, that the V860 III will follow suit, as would any update to the TT685. Nearly every Godox reviewer, like Robert Hall, has been annoyed that smart optical modes even exist on the TT685/V860 II. But then, very few people could afford OEM gear and use the OEM smart optical wireless flash systems. I still miss TTL group ratios with Canon's wireless system; a feature only Profoto emulates with radio flash. I don't think Pentax, Fuji, or MFT are ever going to get any smart optical-capable gear out of Godox. Last edited by inkista; 06-02-2021 at 03:35 PM.

06-03-2021, 02:12 AM	#25
Settesz Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 65 Original Poster	It seems there's also Metz m400 wchich just has it all but is a bit more expensive. Edit: But seeing how small it is and that it supports wireless optical p-TTL(as a slave) and costs only 35e I'm rolling with Metz 26af2 for now. I think it will supplement my KP nicely. https://thedigitalstory.com/2019/01/Metz-mecablitz-26-AF2-review.html Last edited by Settesz; 06-03-2021 at 02:45 AM.

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05-31-2021, 07:00 AM	#16
Bertrand3000 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 2,009	I was not able to fire the Godox with the KP in wireless control mode. Only thing I was able to do is to fire the KP flash in a regular mode and it will also fire the Godox when set in optical slave. How could the KP tell the flash the needed power for TTL? That said if someone was able to do TTL with TT350P as a optical slave I am interested!

05-31-2021, 07:14 AM	#18
Settesz Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 65 Original Poster	Originally posted by Bertrand3000 I was not able to fire the Godox with the KP in wireless control mode. Only thing I was able to do is to fire the KP flash in a regular mode and it will also fire the Godox when set in optical slave. How could the KP tell the flash the needed power for TTL? That said if someone was able to do TTL with TT350P as a optical slave I am interested! My bad, I was pretty sure I've read somewhere that it was working with KP flash as controller but it seems it only works as a "dumb" slave. There are flashes that work with KP pop-up as controller in p-TTL, all instructions are sent by flash and preflash. It's a real pity that Godox don't.:/ Still it looks like a winner.

05-31-2021, 06:18 PM - 1 Like	#19
WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,107	Originally posted by AfterPentax Mark II I would go for the Metz Mecablitz 26 AF2. Which is a terrific and very solid little flash. German Quality with capital Q. The AF1 version is also very good and a bit cheaper (difference is in the video light I believe, but not certain). This Dutch webshop delivers to Poland as they do deliver all over Europe (EU) (Behind your scenes - De foto- en videospecialist). It is the cheapest option at the moment. Good luck! FYI: The Metz 26 AF1 was designed for and works only on APS-C format. It will work perfectly on a KP but will only work on a Pentax K1 in crop mode. The METZ AF 2 will operate on both APS-C and FF sensor cameras.

06-01-2021, 05:38 AM	#20
sbc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Photos: Albums Posts: 357	Originally posted by Settesz Hi, Metz 26 AF2-seems bigger, is a little stronger, no WR but way cheaper and can serve as a wireless slave. Do you have any experience with them? The Pentax is actually stronger. Many people make the mistake of comparing just the stated GN. What you should be comparing is the total lumen. The Pentax can bounce backwards. The Metz goes up vertically only. The Pentax covers up to 20mm, the Metz 24mm.

06-01-2021, 11:26 AM	#22
WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,107	Originally posted by AfterPentax Mark II According to Metz Mecablitz they are almost the same, except for this: "Depending on the camera, the flash also offers a slave mode, for making wireless TTL flash. A suitable flash stand for switching the position of the flash aside the camera is now included." Metz nowhere specifies if one or the other AF26 is specific for use with APS-C or FF. I have looked it up in the manual and the AF1 is suited for both formats. It also more clearly indicated that it is useful for video instead of this descripition "lights up even motion picture photography.". FYI: I had an AF26 original for my K3. When I put it on my new K1 it would only fire when the camera was in crop mode. It would not fire in FF mode. I bought a 26AF 2 which functioned correctly on both the K3 and K1.

06-01-2021, 01:22 PM - 3 Likes	#23
Wingincamera Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pine Haven, Wyoming Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,182	You could get two Godox/Flashpoint TT350's. One can be used as a transmitter and the other as a slave.

06-03-2021, 10:18 PM - 1 Like	#26
inkista Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 256	As long as you're fine with Metz being out of business (sigh).

06-04-2021, 02:02 AM	#27
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Curious about the advantage/need for optical pTTL? Wouldn't 2 Godox TT350 used as one master one slave in freq based pTTL be more efficient/reliable? Or just get the transmitter and one TT350?

06-04-2021, 02:28 AM	#28
Bertrand3000 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 2,009	Another possibility is to use a godox transmitter or TT350P on the hot shoe and another TTL Godox like a TT685 for another brand (canon...), it is supposed to work but I have not tested it. With the TT600 it will work but no TTL even as a slave of the TT350P.

06-04-2021, 02:42 AM	#29
Settesz Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 65 Original Poster	I want it as light as possibile. I can easily put Metz 26 on my pocket and then just put it somewhere on the side and trigger it with KP pop-up with p-TTL. It's as light as it gets. To do the same with Godox I would need either 2 flashes or flash and a radio trigger or to manually set the flash strenght(wchich I don't really like to do outside of studio). Also Godox doesnt look all that lighter than Pentax AF540FGZ II wchich I already have. Funny thing is that in studio work I only use flashes in manual mode.

06-04-2021, 02:27 PM	#30
inkista Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 256	Originally posted by Bertrand3000 Another possibility is to use a godox transmitter or TT350P on the hot shoe and another TTL Godox like a TT685 for another brand (canon...), it is supposed to work but I have not tested it. With the TT600 it will work but no TTL even as a slave of the TT350P. It will work. All the TTL Godox speedlights can be TTL/HSS radio masters, too. But the TT600 being single pin, no TTL or HSS as radio master. ---------- Post added 06-04-21 at 02:42 PM ---------- Originally posted by Settesz I want it as light as possibile. I can easily put Metz 26 on my pocket and then just put it somewhere on the side and trigger it with KP pop-up with p-TTL. It's as light as it gets. Yeah, it's really sounding like this is your best bet. It really sucks that Nissin never made a Pentax version of the i40, because that would probably be perfect for what you want. Quote: To do the same with Godox I would need either 2 flashes or flash and a radio trigger or to manually set the flash strength (which I don't really like to do outside of studio). But if you do it in a studio, it's not that much harder doing it outside a studio. And all the Godox speedlights do have the S1/S2 dumb slave modes. The problem is if you're going to need HSS for daylight fill, because you won't have that, either. And then tacking ND filters on top of everything else just further screws up the go-light/simple thing. Quote: Also Godox doesn't look all that lighter than Pentax AF540FGZ II which I already have. Specs say it's 200g vs. 350g without batteries.[/URL]. Where it might lose the most weight/bulk, though, is that it only uses 2xAA vs. the AF540FGZII being 4xAA. It's much smaller than my Canon 430EX, which was the smaller mid-level speedlight below the full-sized 580EX. More coat pocketable, though, than pants-pocketable. Quote: Funny thing is that in studio work I only use flashes in manual mode. If you have triggering gear that lets you TTL lock (e.g., Godox's TCM feature; where the TTL set power level gets locked into M), I highly recommend you consider experimenting with TTL with off-camera flash, at least for any one-light setups. You might be surprised at how useful it can be to have any iso, aperture, or distance changes be transparent to the flash exposure. I sure as hell was.