pentax 360 flash

dafiryde · 01-06-2009, 04:07 PM

why does Pentax make such a big deal about their P-TTL mode, where as, all it does is spoil all your portrait shots by making everyone eyes close for the photo?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do you think Pentax has an idea in what their are doing, when they made this flash???? or was one of their engineers was trying to sabotage their name

Dave

mattdm · 01-06-2009, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by dafiryde

why does Pentax make such a big deal about their P-TTL mode, where as, all it does is spoil all your portrait shots by making everyone eyes close for the photo?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do you think Pentax has an idea in what their are doing, when they made this flash???? or was one of their engineers was trying to sabotage their name

All of the dSLRs from the other brands have moved to a pre-flash evaluation as well. So while the eye-blink thing can be frustrating (especially when you have a sensitive subject), I don't think this particular line of argument is constructive.

drewdlephone · 01-06-2009, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by dafiryde

why does Pentax make such a big deal about their P-TTL mode, where as, all it does is spoil all your portrait shots by making everyone eyes close for the photo?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do you think Pentax has an idea in what their are doing, when they made this flash???? or was one of their engineers was trying to sabotage their name

Dave

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Pwn4g3_P13 · 01-07-2009, 12:48 AM

Really? I typically just bounce the flash anyway, and the infrared-range finder-y thing is brilliant...

dafiryde · 01-07-2009, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by mattdm

All of the dSLRs from the other brands have moved to a pre-flash evaluation as well. So while the eye-blink thing can be frustrating (especially when you have a sensitive subject), I don't think this particular line of argument is constructive.

what makes this topic a constructive argument is that
A - i am not interested in what other brands do, i am Pentax
B - i am sure Pentax knows by now that this pre-flash idea does not work on portrait shots too well , and correct me if i am wrong, but flash is generally used in photos that include people. at least for me , i only use flash when people are involved. and here i was taking family photos of this christmas season with my new K20D that i boasted about, i had to show off my pics with sleepy and closed eyes.
so now i have to
A - remember to resort to shooting in A mode. which takes forever
B - Buy a very fast lens and jack up the asa , which i would end up with little depth of field
Imagine i have a Canon S5IS point and shoot which should be considered a toy to my Pentax outfit that never and i mean never had this problem
would it not have been simpler for Pentax to release a firmware to diable pre-flash or set the main flash timing different after pre-flash

Dave

**DAZ** · 01-07-2009, 10:03 AM

The flash has 3 options that you can use.

P-TTL
Auto
Manual

Each has its pluses and minuses that is why they give you an option. With P-TTL you need to have a preflash. With the coatings that need to be put on the sensors TTL is not an option. If someone has a way to make TTL work in a digital sensor that doesn’t cost and arm and a leg Pentax is probably interested in hearing about it.

For taking portraits auto or manual is probably a better option anyway as it is more consistent in the output. P-TTL is more for on the fly.

If you need to use P-TTL you can try using the red eye to see if that can help reduce the blinking. The red eye flashes may make them have the blinking over with before the flash for the photo.

DAZ

Nowhere Matt · 01-18-2009, 02:19 PM

Can anyone point me in the direction of an external power supply battery pack for the 360 if they have indeed even produced one? Or am I destined to stock up on AA's?

mattdm · 01-18-2009, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Nowhere Matt

Can anyone point me in the direction of an external power supply battery pack for the 360 if they have indeed even produced one? Or am I destined to stock up on AA's?

There isn't one for the AF360FGZ, but there is one for the AF540FGZ.

(See:
Pentax P-TTL Flash Comparison: Optional Unit-Specific Accessories )

AVANT · 01-22-2009, 03:33 AM

dafiryde, are these studio shots? Or random location portraits? If it's a studio shot, A or M mode is far more suitable.

If it's location based portraits tho, and you have a sensitive (blink prone) subject, try this trick:
- Pose your subject, let them know where they're supposed to look
- have your subject close their eyes and relax their face.
- Tell them to open and smile (or whatever facial expression they should have) on 3.
- Take the picture right after.

If it's a snapshot, let them know there will be 2 flashes, many can fight the blink.

01-06-2009, 04:07 PM	#1
dafiryde Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 419	pentax 360 flash why does Pentax make such a big deal about their P-TTL mode, where as, all it does is spoil all your portrait shots by making everyone eyes close for the photo????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Do you think Pentax has an idea in what their are doing, when they made this flash???? or was one of their engineers was trying to sabotage their name Dave

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01-06-2009, 10:09 PM	#2
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by dafiryde why does Pentax make such a big deal about their P-TTL mode, where as, all it does is spoil all your portrait shots by making everyone eyes close for the photo????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Do you think Pentax has an idea in what their are doing, when they made this flash???? or was one of their engineers was trying to sabotage their name All of the dSLRs from the other brands have moved to a pre-flash evaluation as well. So while the eye-blink thing can be frustrating (especially when you have a sensitive subject), I don't think this particular line of argument is constructive.

01-06-2009, 11:11 PM	#3
drewdlephone Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nanaimo, BC Posts: 261	Originally posted by dafiryde why does Pentax make such a big deal about their P-TTL mode, where as, all it does is spoil all your portrait shots by making everyone eyes close for the photo????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Do you think Pentax has an idea in what their are doing, when they made this flash???? or was one of their engineers was trying to sabotage their name Dave Wikipedia: Punctuation Wikipedia: Argument

01-07-2009, 12:48 AM	#4
Pwn4g3_P13 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Photos: Gallery Posts: 115	Really? I typically just bounce the flash anyway, and the infrared-range finder-y thing is brilliant...

01-07-2009, 09:07 AM	#5
dafiryde Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 419 Original Poster	Originally posted by mattdm All of the dSLRs from the other brands have moved to a pre-flash evaluation as well. So while the eye-blink thing can be frustrating (especially when you have a sensitive subject), I don't think this particular line of argument is constructive. what makes this topic a constructive argument is that A - i am not interested in what other brands do, i am Pentax B - i am sure Pentax knows by now that this pre-flash idea does not work on portrait shots too well , and correct me if i am wrong, but flash is generally used in photos that include people. at least for me , i only use flash when people are involved. and here i was taking family photos of this christmas season with my new K20D that i boasted about, i had to show off my pics with sleepy and closed eyes. so now i have to A - remember to resort to shooting in A mode. which takes forever B - Buy a very fast lens and jack up the asa , which i would end up with little depth of field Imagine i have a Canon S5IS point and shoot which should be considered a toy to my Pentax outfit that never and i mean never had this problem would it not have been simpler for Pentax to release a firmware to diable pre-flash or set the main flash timing different after pre-flash Dave

01-07-2009, 10:03 AM	#6
DAZ Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Everett, WA USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 744	The flash has 3 options that you can use. P-TTL Auto Manual Each has its pluses and minuses that is why they give you an option. With P-TTL you need to have a preflash. With the coatings that need to be put on the sensors TTL is not an option. If someone has a way to make TTL work in a digital sensor that doesn’t cost and arm and a leg Pentax is probably interested in hearing about it. For taking portraits auto or manual is probably a better option anyway as it is more consistent in the output. P-TTL is more for on the fly. If you need to use P-TTL you can try using the red eye to see if that can help reduce the blinking. The red eye flashes may make them have the blinking over with before the flash for the photo. DAZ

01-18-2009, 02:19 PM	#7
Nowhere Matt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Nowhere Land Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,362	Can anyone point me in the direction of an external power supply battery pack for the 360 if they have indeed even produced one? Or am I destined to stock up on AA's?

01-18-2009, 02:29 PM	#8
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by Nowhere Matt Can anyone point me in the direction of an external power supply battery pack for the 360 if they have indeed even produced one? Or am I destined to stock up on AA's? There isn't one for the AF360FGZ, but there is one for the AF540FGZ. (See: Pentax P-TTL Flash Comparison: Optional Unit-Specific Accessories )

01-22-2009, 03:33 AM	#9
AVANT Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California Posts: 426	dafiryde, are these studio shots? Or random location portraits? If it's a studio shot, A or M mode is far more suitable. If it's location based portraits tho, and you have a sensitive (blink prone) subject, try this trick: - Pose your subject, let them know where they're supposed to look - have your subject close their eyes and relax their face. - Tell them to open and smile (or whatever facial expression they should have) on 3. - Take the picture right after. If it's a snapshot, let them know there will be 2 flashes, many can fight the blink.

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