Originally posted by Art Vandelay II ...
That's what it all comes back to; why on earth did they choose a sensor that's only slightly larger than a camera phone sensor? Anything a 1/2.3" sensor can do a 1/1.6" or 2/3's sensor can do better.
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Look, all I care about is a compact camera with a quality lens that is not of the telescopic kind used in point and shoots (a prime is great, especially if the camera can mount different lenses). Point me to something better than the Q and I'll move my interest to that. Otherwise, you're really not offering me any options, just the argument that *maybe* a better camera could be built. I don't really care if a better camera *could* be built if no one is available to build it. To me, the Q is the quality compact that could be built, but no one dared to - until now.
Originally posted by jsherman999 All K-7 development was able to migrate directly to the k-5.
But not to the 645D. Yet the 645D carries over many styling marks introduced with the K-7. There's a lot that can be reused and getting the best IQ out of tiny sensors and dealing with noise at that level is something that can be shared across multiple lines.
Originally posted by Christine Tham There is no clear relationship between sensor size and image quality.
Just check dxomark - sensor scores are pretty much proportional to their size: P&S < 4/3 < APS < FF. The relationship is clear both in theory and in practical results.
Originally posted by junyo Actually I've put out quite a number of rational, objective arguments:
The arguments may be objective, but your focus on those particular arguments is purely subjective. You're really trying to draw conclusions based on your personal assessment of the Q - but those conclusions only apply to you. The only compelling argument I have seen is that around the price. But whether the price is too much or too little is really a subjective thing as it depends on how much value each individual puts on the camera.
Originally posted by junyo Did I make those arguments? So how is that a valid response? And at least there's a semblance of a reason to look at FF. It doesn't require a significant investment in new lens design/manufacture, and has a small, but natural logical market. The Q has neither.
You asked for a compelling argument that the Q would have "widespread appeal" - I was answering to that. I also think that the Q lenses require a lot less design work than APS or full-frame lenses - the toy lenses are manual focus and fixed aperture - how much resources do you think their design required?
Originally posted by junyo However, by Pentax's own statements, their engineers worked on the Q for 5 years. Even if the prototypes and tooling cost nothing, even if Pentax couldn't think of anything else for them to do, they lost a couple hundred man years of engineering and management time that could have been spent of something that would turn a profit, or other halo products like the 645D, or refining theeir other products released in that timeframe.
Are you saying they should have closed their compact camera business? Have you noticed the styling similarity between the I10 and the Q? The people that worked on the Q did their job - that of building a compact camera - they weren't resources diverted from the development of other systems.
Originally posted by junyo And let's be serious. The Q isn't some revolutionary camera, it's Pentax wrapping and interface design wrapped around Sony guts. If they were going to do that, either do it cheaper, or use better guts than this.
You are first complaining that Pentax spent 5 years and now you are describing this work as a patch job. Make up your mind.
The Q doesn't have to be revolutionary to be successful. It just has to provide a solution that no one else has been offering. And it does *exactly* that - it offers a high quality compact camera system that no one else dared build. You may say that they didn't dare build it because it makes no sense, but that's you looking at the half empty glass. I am always happy to see a manufacturer having the guts to offer something that no one else has been offering.
In the end, if you think that there are other better options than the Q, you should just go for those - I know I would - I don't really care about getting my next camera from Pentax if it's going to have another mount than K-mount.