Originally posted by Art Vandelay II That's the m4/3's example you chose to "prove" how un-pocketable m4/3's cameras are? Why not just choose a photo of a GH2 with a a Sigma Bigma adapted?
If you use cameras without lenses then yes,
NEX is smaller than m43 cams and much more pocketable than m43 cams.
Originally posted by Art Vandelay II You can rule out zooms, because not even the Q is a pocket camera with a zoom attached, so that leaves us with pancake primes as the only option if you want a pocket camera. Perhaps it's not the case for everyone, but I simply don't require a camera any smaller than a GF3 + 14mm prime. It will fit in my pocket without issue. As far as the 90% of lenses that make a camera unpockatable...who cares? So long as a system has a few lenses that are pocketable that's all I care about. I don't make a habit of carrying 10 different lenses with me on photo walks; do you?
Compare these things with similar zooms attached. The photo I posted was not serious comparison with any other camera. I was just poking fun at people who buy m43 for the reasons that it is compact.
Other than pancakes, can you attach any other zoom and put camera and lens into your pockets. If you can not then there is not much advantages of m43s over dslrs.
Originally posted by Art Vandelay II If you want a standard zoom that means you're going to have to put any of these cameras in something like a messenger pack. After you do that you'll have a hard time telling the difference in size on any of the three cameras above. Even the NEX-C3 with 18-55mm isn't exactly a 2lb DSRL pounding against your spine.
I am sorry but with zooms attached Q is considerably smaller than other two. One could tell the size differences easily. I have held a plastic replica of Q attached with its zoom and it is very small. It could be put into jacket pocket even with zoom attached.
Originally posted by Art Vandelay II As far as your IQ claims...
here is a test photo I took with an E-P3 and 12mm f/2 lens (I uploaded full size if you view all sizes). I feel pretty safe in saying that Q isn't capable of anything close to that. I've never seen a small sensor camera that is. Small sensors just can't produce the depth that large sensors + fast glass can do. I haven't seen anything out of the Q so far that makes me think it will be any different then all the other small sensor cameras that have come before it. In fact I haven't even seen a sample yet that has made me think it's better than the X-Z1.
Wait for IQ tests.
As far as I am concerned m43 does not solve problem of packtablity. They are not small enough. They are only small with pancakes and pancakes are not available in every length that i would want plus lenses cost arm and leg to buy.