Originally posted by zxaar If you use cameras without lenses then yes, NEX is smaller than m43 cams and much more pocketable than m43 cams.
Even if you compare the size of the GF3 to the size of the Q with pancake primes attached there's not much of a difference. Based on the size of my hands I just don't think I could use a camera much smaller than this:
That is right in the ballpark of my old G10, and it was borderline too small as far as I was concerned.
Quote: Compare these things with similar zooms attached.
The Olympus 14-42mm is pretty tiny as is, but the rumors this week are that Panasonic is about to release some insanely small zooms. I personally wont be buying them because it sounds like they are going to function like a compact camera lens, complete with power zoom. But I imagine a P&S upgrader will feel right at home with them:
Pancake sized motorised zoom lens coming for Panasonic GF7, GH3 | EOSHD.com Quote: If you can not then there is not much advantages of m43s over dslrs.
Try carrying a m4/3's or even a NEX camera around a city for an entire day, or on a 10+ mile hike then say there aren't many advantages. I once brought both my K-7 and a NEX-3 to NYC for a week, I used the K-7 for all of 2 hours, and didn't get it out again. True, there are some DSLR's smaller than the K-7, but every single one of them aside from the Sony A33/A55 (which aren't even true DSLR's) have horrible pentamirror view finders that I personally can't stand using. For street photography there is simply no contest. You can shoot with these small EVIL's all day long and hardly anyone notices, but the second you whip a DSLR out people turn and look.
Quote: As far as I am concerned m43 does not solve problem of packtablity. They are not small enough. They are only small with pancakes and pancakes are not available in every length that i would want plus lenses cost arm and leg to buy.
The Panasonic 14mm f/2.5 is $325, the 20mm f/1.7 is $370. Just how cheap do lenses need to be? You are aware the Q is $800 right? As I said early, exactly how many pancake primes does a system need? Street shooters are already covered with m4/3's with the 12mm, 14mm, the 17mm, and the 20mm. I could happily shoot all year long with just the combo of the 12mm and 20mm.
Here is a guy that uses a single prime for an entire year, and gets fantastic results. Not every lens for a system has to be tiny. When using a camera around my house, or in the studio I simply don't care what size the lens is.
But as mentioned early up this thread, the Q's problem is not that it is going to be an awful camera. I'm sure we're going to see some fantastic shots made with it. The problem is the competition it faces is simply better; and cheaper to boot. It sounds like
Nikon CSC is going to be announced soon. If the rumors I've read about it are even partially true I just think the Q is DOA. Both are going after they same niche; small sensor, ultra compact, but with a 2.7x Sony sensor the Nikon CSC should simply be the better choice for most people.