Pentax Q in the Flesh

Smeggypants · 08-22-2011, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by johnmflores

Get in line @ B&H! Pre-order...

pentax q

The intervalometer, high-speed flash sync, HD video, image stabilization, and lens choices make this an interesting option for First-Person shooting...

Why just B&H.There are plenty of other Camera retailers that deserve business.

Art Vandelay II · 08-22-2011, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by barondla

Saying a slr size camera is useless for street photography is absolute HOGWASH. Years ago Mary Ellen Mark & Bruce Davidson visited our university, and both had large 35mm cameras. Not to mention all the wonderful work done with Contax and Leica rangefinders.

I still use my 35mm film cameras myself. In the last few years alone I've shot with a Nikon FE2, Pentax LX, and a Voigtlander Bessa R3A at one time or another...but sadly when we made the digital switch manufactures seemed to forget that many of us preferred small SLR's such as the Pentax ME Super and then proceeded to make nothing but large bulbous DSLR's for almost a decade. My first DSLR was a Pentax K100D because it was the smallest thing I could find at the time, but it had a horrible view finder (felt like I had tunnel vision compared to a even a cheap film SLR such as a Pentax K1000). Olympus started making the E-4XX series about that time, and they were quite small, but their viewfinders were even worse. It wasn't until the advent of m4/3's that I felt we had a true digital street shooter too fill the void left by film cameras like the ME and Olympus OM series (unless you were one of the few that could afford/justify a Leica M8).

In fact the live view systems on CSC's is why I said they are indeed better than DSLR's at street (and better than film SLR's also). I sat on a park bench in central park and took this pic of a man reading his paper without him even noticing I was doing it. I took this pic of a man drinking his morning coffee 90 degrees around a corner. Outside of the new Sony translucent mirror DSLR's the live view systems on every DSLR I've tried have been so painfully slow I haven't bothered using them. So to get shots like that you had to just use the force and point the camera without looking through the viewfinder.

Kind of off topic, but apparently Fuji is about to announce a $600 Fuji X10 with a 4x f/2 zoom, 2/3's size sensor, and Fuji X100 build quality for $600? Will be interesting to see how that compares to the Q. Not interchangeable lenses obviously, but I imagine a good number of street photographers will be highly interested; I know I am.

Art Vandelay II · 08-24-2011, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by zxaar

m43 and NEX are only pocketable with pancakes attached.

And now they have a pancake zoom:

http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-hot-image-leak-panasonic-new-14-42mm-is-a-pancake/

Andi Lo · 08-24-2011, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

And now they have a pancake zoom:

43 Rumors | Blog | (FT5) Hot Image leak!!! Panasonic new 14-42mm is a ...Pancake!!!

That is seriously sexy. Almost as amazing as DA 40.

stevbike · 08-24-2011, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

I still use my 35mm film cameras myself. In the last few years alone I've shot with a Nikon FE2, Pentax LX, and a Voigtlander Bessa R3A at one time or another...but sadly when we made the digital switch manufactures seemed to forget that many of us preferred small SLR's such as the Pentax ME Super and then proceeded to make nothing but large bulbous DSLR's for almost a decade. My first DSLR was a Pentax K100D because it was the smallest thing I could find at the time, but it had a horrible view finder (felt like I had tunnel vision compared to a even a cheap film SLR such as a Pentax K1000). Olympus started making the E-4XX series about that time, and they were quite small, but their viewfinders were even worse. It wasn't until the advent of m4/3's that I felt we had a true digital street shooter too fill the void left by film cameras like the ME and Olympus OM series (unless you were one of the few that could afford/justify a Leica M8).

In fact the live view systems on CSC's is why I said they are indeed better than DSLR's at street (and better than film SLR's also). I sat on a park bench in central park and took this pic of a man reading his paper without him even noticing I was doing it. I took this pic of a man drinking his morning coffee 90 degrees around a corner. Outside of the new Sony translucent mirror DSLR's the live view systems on every DSLR I've tried have been so painfully slow I haven't bothered using them. So to get shots like that you had to just use the force and point the camera without looking through the viewfinder.

Kind of off topic, but apparently Fuji is about to announce a $600 Fuji X10 with a 4x f/2 zoom, 2/3's size sensor, and Fuji X100 build quality for $600? Will be interesting to see how that compares to the Q. Not interchangeable lenses obviously, but I imagine a good number of street photographers will be highly interested; I know I am.

I stopped using my ME Super years ago. I too missed the large view finder when cameras like my Fuji S5000 was used but I adjusted to them. The S1500 and S1000fd have nice EVF finders. On the D-slr front I bought the Pentax K-m due to its price and size. The view finder is smaller then the older film cameras but after using it I also got it as well.

I think that the small Q will find its place with seroius users. It has the some of the features of the D-slr in a smaller package. I like using all types of cameras and welcome the design of the Q. With models like the X10 by Fuji coming out, that market will grow. Small cameras are nicer to carry around then a bulky D-slr. I looked at your two pictures you had links to. They are very nice.

I think that there always be a learning curve on new camera models coming out. Some designs will be improvements, others a step backwards. I think that your experience as a photographer overcomes the cameras designs that are created. When it comes down to the bottom line, they all basicly work the same. It is just a learning curve on the details of there operating systems you have to learn. Just be glad you can find small new details to learn and maybe get something new out of a newer compact camera. I have been a bit surprised by some of my images I have created with simple digital cameras I own.

johnmflores · 08-24-2011, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

And now they have a pancake zoom:

43 Rumors | Blog | (FT5) Hot Image leak!!! Panasonic new 14-42mm is a ...Pancake!!!

GF3/pancake zoom at a competitive price
+
palette after palette delivered to Best Buy
=
A big year for Panasonic.

zxaar · 08-25-2011, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

And now they have a pancake zoom:

43 Rumors | Blog | (FT5) Hot Image leak!!! Panasonic new 14-42mm is a ...Pancake!!!

now imagine the possibilities with ultra smaller sensor of Q.

ogl · 08-26-2011, 01:50 AM

Pentax Q - K mount adapter

ghelary · 08-26-2011, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Pentax Q - K mount adapter

FOV equivalent to 200mm approx. When keeping that in mind, it is not that big

Put on a FA77/1.8 and you get a nice compact super-tele combo for casual wild life photography on treck.

ogl · 08-26-2011, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by ghelary

FOV equivalent to 200mm approx. When keeping that in mind, it is not that big

Put on a FA77/1.8 and you get a nice compact super-tele combo for casual wild life photography on treck.

~ 224 mm/f16 equiv. for FF.

FA77/1.8 ~ 430 mm/f10

FA50/1.4 ~ 280 mm/f8

hard to say that such adapter has any serious sense. just for fun IMO.

Zygonyx · 08-26-2011, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Pentax Q - K mount adapter

Very nice !

Any information re. parameter transmission ?

Visibly the 0 to 7 numbers could indicate the F-Stop positions, if this adapter has an aperture ring ?

ogl · 08-26-2011, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Very nice !

Any information re. parameter transmission ?

Visibly the 0 to 7 numbers could indicate the F-Stop positions, if this adapter has an aperture ring ?

Can you explain the practical side of such adapter?

Mock · 08-26-2011, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Very nice !

Any information re. parameter transmission ?

Visibly the 0 to 7 numbers could indicate the F-Stop positions, if this adapter has an aperture ring ?

I think it could, if the 0 setting is wide open, and assuming the numbers correspond to full stops, then a f/1.4 lens (fastest of DA) can stop down all the way to f/16.
However, isn't it odd to allow the adapter to stop down so much if the camera is diffraction limited at f/8, or am I missing something?
We'll have to wait for some more information I guess, maybe find some engrish article.

Blue · 08-26-2011, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Can you explain the practical side of such adapter?

If it is like my m4/3 adapter, it allows the manual control of the aperture with DA ltd lenses.

Blue · 08-26-2011, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Smeggypants

Why just B&H.There are plenty of other Camera retailers that deserve business.

Many of us living in areas that lack retailers use BH and Adorama due to their competitive pricing and customer service. My only option in the Capital of Florida is Bad Buy.

08-24-2011, 05:13 PM	#1025
stevbike Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Newbury, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 268	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II I still use my 35mm film cameras myself. In the last few years alone I've shot with a Nikon FE2, Pentax LX, and a Voigtlander Bessa R3A at one time or another...but sadly when we made the digital switch manufactures seemed to forget that many of us preferred small SLR's such as the Pentax ME Super and then proceeded to make nothing but large bulbous DSLR's for almost a decade. My first DSLR was a Pentax K100D because it was the smallest thing I could find at the time, but it had a horrible view finder (felt like I had tunnel vision compared to a even a cheap film SLR such as a Pentax K1000). Olympus started making the E-4XX series about that time, and they were quite small, but their viewfinders were even worse. It wasn't until the advent of m4/3's that I felt we had a true digital street shooter too fill the void left by film cameras like the ME and Olympus OM series (unless you were one of the few that could afford/justify a Leica M8). In fact the live view systems on CSC's is why I said they are indeed better than DSLR's at street (and better than film SLR's also). I sat on a park bench in central park and took this pic of a man reading his paper without him even noticing I was doing it. I took this pic of a man drinking his morning coffee 90 degrees around a corner. Outside of the new Sony translucent mirror DSLR's the live view systems on every DSLR I've tried have been so painfully slow I haven't bothered using them. So to get shots like that you had to just use the force and point the camera without looking through the viewfinder. Kind of off topic, but apparently Fuji is about to announce a $600 Fuji X10 with a 4x f/2 zoom, 2/3's size sensor, and Fuji X100 build quality for $600? Will be interesting to see how that compares to the Q. Not interchangeable lenses obviously, but I imagine a good number of street photographers will be highly interested; I know I am. I stopped using my ME Super years ago. I too missed the large view finder when cameras like my Fuji S5000 was used but I adjusted to them. The S1500 and S1000fd have nice EVF finders. On the D-slr front I bought the Pentax K-m due to its price and size. The view finder is smaller then the older film cameras but after using it I also got it as well. I think that the small Q will find its place with seroius users. It has the some of the features of the D-slr in a smaller package. I like using all types of cameras and welcome the design of the Q. With models like the X10 by Fuji coming out, that market will grow. Small cameras are nicer to carry around then a bulky D-slr. I looked at your two pictures you had links to. They are very nice. I think that there always be a learning curve on new camera models coming out. Some designs will be improvements, others a step backwards. I think that your experience as a photographer overcomes the cameras designs that are created. When it comes down to the bottom line, they all basicly work the same. It is just a learning curve on the details of there operating systems you have to learn. Just be glad you can find small new details to learn and maybe get something new out of a newer compact camera. I have been a bit surprised by some of my images I have created with simple digital cameras I own. Last edited by stevbike; 08-24-2011 at 05:27 PM.

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08-22-2011, 05:10 PM	#1021
Smeggypants Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,536	Originally posted by johnmflores Get in line @ B&H! Pre-order... pentax q The intervalometer, high-speed flash sync, HD video, image stabilization, and lens choices make this an interesting option for First-Person shooting... Why just B&H.There are plenty of other Camera retailers that deserve business.

08-22-2011, 05:28 PM	#1022
Art Vandelay II Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 886	Originally posted by barondla Saying a slr size camera is useless for street photography is absolute HOGWASH. Years ago Mary Ellen Mark & Bruce Davidson visited our university, and both had large 35mm cameras. Not to mention all the wonderful work done with Contax and Leica rangefinders. I still use my 35mm film cameras myself. In the last few years alone I've shot with a Nikon FE2, Pentax LX, and a Voigtlander Bessa R3A at one time or another...but sadly when we made the digital switch manufactures seemed to forget that many of us preferred small SLR's such as the Pentax ME Super and then proceeded to make nothing but large bulbous DSLR's for almost a decade. My first DSLR was a Pentax K100D because it was the smallest thing I could find at the time, but it had a horrible view finder (felt like I had tunnel vision compared to a even a cheap film SLR such as a Pentax K1000). Olympus started making the E-4XX series about that time, and they were quite small, but their viewfinders were even worse. It wasn't until the advent of m4/3's that I felt we had a true digital street shooter too fill the void left by film cameras like the ME and Olympus OM series (unless you were one of the few that could afford/justify a Leica M8). In fact the live view systems on CSC's is why I said they are indeed better than DSLR's at street (and better than film SLR's also). I sat on a park bench in central park and took this pic of a man reading his paper without him even noticing I was doing it. I took this pic of a man drinking his morning coffee 90 degrees around a corner. Outside of the new Sony translucent mirror DSLR's the live view systems on every DSLR I've tried have been so painfully slow I haven't bothered using them. So to get shots like that you had to just use the force and point the camera without looking through the viewfinder. Kind of off topic, but apparently Fuji is about to announce a $600 Fuji X10 with a 4x f/2 zoom, 2/3's size sensor, and Fuji X100 build quality for $600? Will be interesting to see how that compares to the Q. Not interchangeable lenses obviously, but I imagine a good number of street photographers will be highly interested; I know I am.

08-24-2011, 06:44 AM	#1023
Art Vandelay II Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 886	Originally posted by zxaar m43 and NEX are only pocketable with pancakes attached. And now they have a pancake zoom: http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-hot-image-leak-panasonic-new-14-42mm-is-a-pancake/

08-24-2011, 07:45 AM	#1024
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II And now they have a pancake zoom: 43 Rumors \| Blog \| (FT5) Hot Image leak!!! Panasonic new 14-42mm is a ...Pancake!!! That is seriously sexy. Almost as amazing as DA 40.

08-24-2011, 07:30 PM	#1026
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II And now they have a pancake zoom: 43 Rumors \| Blog \| (FT5) Hot Image leak!!! Panasonic new 14-42mm is a ...Pancake!!! GF3/pancake zoom at a competitive price + palette after palette delivered to Best Buy = A big year for Panasonic.

08-25-2011, 03:25 PM	#1027
zxaar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: kobe/japan Posts: 510	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II And now they have a pancake zoom: 43 Rumors \| Blog \| (FT5) Hot Image leak!!! Panasonic new 14-42mm is a ...Pancake!!! now imagine the possibilities with ultra smaller sensor of Q.

08-26-2011, 01:50 AM	#1028
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Pentax Q - K mount adapter

08-26-2011, 02:13 AM	#1029
ghelary Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 613	Originally posted by ogl Pentax Q - K mount adapter FOV equivalent to 200mm approx. When keeping that in mind, it is not that big Put on a FA77/1.8 and you get a nice compact super-tele combo for casual wild life photography on treck.

08-26-2011, 05:33 AM	#1030
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by ghelary FOV equivalent to 200mm approx. When keeping that in mind, it is not that big Put on a FA77/1.8 and you get a nice compact super-tele combo for casual wild life photography on treck. ~ 224 mm/f16 equiv. for FF. FA77/1.8 ~ 430 mm/f10 FA50/1.4 ~ 280 mm/f8 hard to say that such adapter has any serious sense. just for fun IMO.

08-26-2011, 07:06 AM	#1031
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by ogl Pentax Q - K mount adapter Very nice ! Any information re. parameter transmission ? Visibly the 0 to 7 numbers could indicate the F-Stop positions, if this adapter has an aperture ring ?

08-26-2011, 07:44 AM	#1032
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Zygonyx Very nice ! Any information re. parameter transmission ? Visibly the 0 to 7 numbers could indicate the F-Stop positions, if this adapter has an aperture ring ? Can you explain the practical side of such adapter?

08-26-2011, 08:36 AM	#1033
Mock Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Edmonton Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 314	Originally posted by Zygonyx Very nice ! Any information re. parameter transmission ? Visibly the 0 to 7 numbers could indicate the F-Stop positions, if this adapter has an aperture ring ? I think it could, if the 0 setting is wide open, and assuming the numbers correspond to full stops, then a f/1.4 lens (fastest of DA) can stop down all the way to f/16. However, isn't it odd to allow the adapter to stop down so much if the camera is diffraction limited at f/8, or am I missing something? We'll have to wait for some more information I guess, maybe find some engrish article.

08-26-2011, 09:00 AM	#1034
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by ogl Can you explain the practical side of such adapter? If it is like my m4/3 adapter, it allows the manual control of the aperture with DA ltd lenses.

08-26-2011, 09:02 AM	#1035
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Smeggypants Why just B&H.There are plenty of other Camera retailers that deserve business. Many of us living in areas that lack retailers use BH and Adorama due to their competitive pricing and customer service. My only option in the Capital of Florida is Bad Buy.