'Q' or Leica D-LUX5 or what?

slackercruster · 07-10-2012, 11:30 AM

Seems like the reviews these 2 cams get are not that great. I love my K-01, but would like a smaller cam for pocket. What is out there is anyhting that fits the bill for a high IQ pocket cam? (Preferably with interchange lenses.)

Thanks

LeDave · 07-10-2012, 11:44 AM

The reason why the Q has bad reviews is because it's interchangeable yet uses sensor of a P&S. The image quality of the Q is actually quite good and some pictures you get out of it doesn't even look like P&S. Just keep ISO at a low setting and the images will turn out awesome. I personally would love to get my hands on a Q just to have fun with.

cali92rs · 07-10-2012, 11:57 AM

Just curious, but why not go for the Panasonic Lumix LX5? From what I have read, the Lumix and Leica are functionally identical. You do get Lightroom and a longer warranty with the Leica but the Lumix is cheaper than either the Q or Leica.

Docrwm · 07-10-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

Just curious, but why not go for the Panasonic Lumix LX5? From what I have read, the Lumix and Leica are functionally identical. You do get Lightroom and a longer warranty with the Leica but the Lumix is cheaper than either the Q or Leica.

The LX5 is a very nice camera with an f2.0 lens, but its getting a bit older and only goes to 90mm equivalent. I'm wondering if a follow-on model is in the works for release this year as the LX-5, if memory serves, was released in 2010. There was an interview with the senior engineer for Panasonic recently that seemed to indicate that the LX-6 will have a Micro 4/3's sensor too.
http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/panasonic-lx...c=rss&attr=all

Last edited by Docrwm; 07-10-2012 at 12:06 PM.

cali92rs · 07-10-2012, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

The LX5 is a very nice camera with an f2.0 lens, but its getting a bit older and only goes to 90mm equivalent. I'm wondering if a follow-on model is in the works for release this year as the LX-5, if memory serves, was released in 2010. There was an interview with the senior engineer for Panasonic recently that seemed to indicate that the LX-6 will have a Micro 4/3's sensor too.
Panasonic LX series to have larger sensor | News | TechRadar

I agree, I was just commenting on the 2 choices he listed.

If I had the money, I would look at the Sony RX100.

Docrwm · 07-10-2012, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

I agree, I was just commenting on the 2 choices he listed.

If I had the money, I would look at the Sony RX100.

That one had escaped my notice, probably because I used to be a big Sony P&S fan but then they went soft in their rendering about 3-4 years ago and I changed over to Panasonic for my P&S cameras and have been very happy. I'll take a look at the Sony RX100 but a quick google shows that they are running around $650.

cali92rs · 07-10-2012, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

That one had escaped my notice, probably because I used to be a big Sony P&S fan but then they went soft in their rendering about 3-4 years ago and I changed over to Panasonic for my P&S cameras and have been very happy. I'll take a look at the Sony RX100 but a quick google shows that they are running around $650.

Can I ask which Panasonics you have went with?

Honestly, I was looking at the Lumix LX5 as well. I understand it is getting old, but that is why it is actually in my price range, lol.
I am going back and forth between the LX5 and the S100. I know the S100 is newer and supposedly has better IQ, but i just love the way the LX5 looks and it has a wider angle, which to me is more important the the telephoto end.

Docrwm · 07-10-2012, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

Can I ask which Panasonics you have went with?

Honestly, I was looking at the Lumix LX5 as well. I understand it is getting old, but that is why it is actually in my price range, lol.
I am going back and forth between the LX5 and the S100. I know the S100 is newer and supposedly has better IQ, but i just love the way the LX5 looks and it has a wider angle, which to me is more important the the telephoto end.

I went with a more traditional Panasonic offering - a superzoom P&S - in the ZS-5 from 2010. It's getting time to consider a new P&S which is why I am interested in the LX5 and its possible replacement.

**barondla** · 07-10-2012, 03:31 PM

Have a Pana LX2. Nice camera love the longer format. Once I got the Q the Pana mostly sits. Q is so much quicker to operate ( like a Pentax DSLR). Q picture quality is better than LX2. Imagine the LX5 is also better than the LX2. Played with a friend's LX5 and was dismayed that the camera grew bigger than LX2. Same friend played with my Q. He now owns a Q and sold the Pana. The Q is just a joy to shoot with and I love the 3 shot HDR mode that allows the small sensor to handle great dynamic range.

Then the Q pulls double duty as a macro/ tele monster camera. So cool. Then there is the fisheye lens that adds even more fun.
thanks
barondla

slackercruster · 07-10-2012, 03:32 PM

Well, I don't care what brand it is. As long as it is a lot smaller than a K-01. It has to have xlnt IQ, large mp and would shoot wide or take a wide lens

**MJL** · 07-10-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

Just curious, but why not go for the Panasonic Lumix LX5? From what I have read, the Lumix and Leica are functionally identical. You do get Lightroom and a longer warranty with the Leica but the Lumix is cheaper than either the Q or Leica.

I have both LX5 & D-LUX5 in my family, and I can say D-LUX 5 has better lens coating and JPEG compression hence better IQ in general. But I wouldn't use that to argue about the huge price difference.

twitch · 07-10-2012, 04:23 PM - **1 Like**

The Sony RX100 and the Olympus EPM1 are 2 cameras that have extremely small body sizes given how big of a sensor they pack. The EPM1 at least can be had very cheaply, partner it with a pancake like a 20/1.7 or 14/2.5 and you have a very small camera with excellent IQ. The NEX series too, but their lenses are big

There's no way now I'd be buying any dedicated camera with smaller than a 1" (2.7 crop) sensor, not when there are options like these. The S90/95/100 & LX3 were very good cameras for 2010 ish, but in 2012 I don't think those cameras are good choices any more.

Docrwm · 07-10-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by MJL

I have both LX5 & D-LUX5 in my family, and I can say D-LUX 5 has better lens coating and JPEG compression hence better IQ in general. But I wouldn't use that to argue about the huge price difference.

The D-LUX5 is selling for $799 and the new RX-100 from Sony is listing at $679 or so. If I got that then the RX-100 needs to be darn good because its up in the same price range. The D-LUX5 is about 2 years old as well, so a D-LUX6 ought to be along any time.

twitch · 07-10-2012, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

The D-LUX5 is selling for $799 and the new RX-100 from Sony is listing at $679 or so. If I got that then the RX-100 needs to be darn good because its up in the same price range.

I think it's the other way round, the D-LUX5 is a Panasonic LX5, which makes it a more expensive camera with much smaller sensor. The RX100 is going to have far better IQ for cheaper.

Docrwm · 07-10-2012, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by twitch

I think it's the other way round, the D-LUX5 is a Panasonic LX5, which makes it a more expensive camera with much smaller sensor. The RX100 is going to have far better IQ for cheaper.

Still, its a Leica. Seriously, that is one camera name that sells. Most of my physician friends wouldn't know what size the sensor was in their camera if you held a gun to their head, but they would know that a Leica is a high-end piece of kit.

But I see your point. The sensor in the RX100 is much larger.

What about the The Samsung EX2F? It's magnesium-bodied and has a 12.4MP BSI CMOS 1/1.7" (7.44 x 5.58 mm) sensor and an f1.4 24-80mm lens, fully articulated LCD, etc. ISO sensitivity can be extended up to ISO 12,800 and it has a hotshoe. The 'F' in the model name designates WiFi, and includes Mobile Link, Remote Viewfinder, Email and Auto Backup.

07-10-2012, 11:30 AM	#1
slackercruster Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NE, USA Posts: 1,302	'Q' or Leica D-LUX5 or what? Seems like the reviews these 2 cams get are not that great. I love my K-01, but would like a smaller cam for pocket. What is out there is anyhting that fits the bill for a high IQ pocket cam? (Preferably with interchange lenses.) Thanks

07-10-2012, 03:37 PM	#11
MJL Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: The Canadian WetCoast Photos: Albums Posts: 384	Lx5 & d-lux5 Originally posted by cali92rs Just curious, but why not go for the Panasonic Lumix LX5? From what I have read, the Lumix and Leica are functionally identical. You do get Lightroom and a longer warranty with the Leica but the Lumix is cheaper than either the Q or Leica. I have both LX5 & D-LUX5 in my family, and I can say D-LUX 5 has better lens coating and JPEG compression hence better IQ in general. But I wouldn't use that to argue about the huge price difference.

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07-10-2012, 11:44 AM	#2
LeDave Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Minneapolis - St. Paul Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,067	The reason why the Q has bad reviews is because it's interchangeable yet uses sensor of a P&S. The image quality of the Q is actually quite good and some pictures you get out of it doesn't even look like P&S. Just keep ISO at a low setting and the images will turn out awesome. I personally would love to get my hands on a Q just to have fun with.

07-10-2012, 11:57 AM	#3
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Just curious, but why not go for the Panasonic Lumix LX5? From what I have read, the Lumix and Leica are functionally identical. You do get Lightroom and a longer warranty with the Leica but the Lumix is cheaper than either the Q or Leica.

07-10-2012, 12:00 PM	#4
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by cali92rs Just curious, but why not go for the Panasonic Lumix LX5? From what I have read, the Lumix and Leica are functionally identical. You do get Lightroom and a longer warranty with the Leica but the Lumix is cheaper than either the Q or Leica. The LX5 is a very nice camera with an f2.0 lens, but its getting a bit older and only goes to 90mm equivalent. I'm wondering if a follow-on model is in the works for release this year as the LX-5, if memory serves, was released in 2010. There was an interview with the senior engineer for Panasonic recently that seemed to indicate that the LX-6 will have a Micro 4/3's sensor too. http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/panasonic-lx...c=rss&attr=all Last edited by Docrwm; 07-10-2012 at 12:06 PM.

07-10-2012, 12:15 PM	#5
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Docrwm The LX5 is a very nice camera with an f2.0 lens, but its getting a bit older and only goes to 90mm equivalent. I'm wondering if a follow-on model is in the works for release this year as the LX-5, if memory serves, was released in 2010. There was an interview with the senior engineer for Panasonic recently that seemed to indicate that the LX-6 will have a Micro 4/3's sensor too. Panasonic LX series to have larger sensor \| News \| TechRadar I agree, I was just commenting on the 2 choices he listed. If I had the money, I would look at the Sony RX100.

07-10-2012, 01:50 PM	#6
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by cali92rs I agree, I was just commenting on the 2 choices he listed. If I had the money, I would look at the Sony RX100. That one had escaped my notice, probably because I used to be a big Sony P&S fan but then they went soft in their rendering about 3-4 years ago and I changed over to Panasonic for my P&S cameras and have been very happy. I'll take a look at the Sony RX100 but a quick google shows that they are running around $650.

07-10-2012, 02:30 PM	#7
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Docrwm That one had escaped my notice, probably because I used to be a big Sony P&S fan but then they went soft in their rendering about 3-4 years ago and I changed over to Panasonic for my P&S cameras and have been very happy. I'll take a look at the Sony RX100 but a quick google shows that they are running around $650. Can I ask which Panasonics you have went with? Honestly, I was looking at the Lumix LX5 as well. I understand it is getting old, but that is why it is actually in my price range, lol. I am going back and forth between the LX5 and the S100. I know the S100 is newer and supposedly has better IQ, but i just love the way the LX5 looks and it has a wider angle, which to me is more important the the telephoto end.

07-10-2012, 02:40 PM	#8
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by cali92rs Can I ask which Panasonics you have went with? Honestly, I was looking at the Lumix LX5 as well. I understand it is getting old, but that is why it is actually in my price range, lol. I am going back and forth between the LX5 and the S100. I know the S100 is newer and supposedly has better IQ, but i just love the way the LX5 looks and it has a wider angle, which to me is more important the the telephoto end. I went with a more traditional Panasonic offering - a superzoom P&S - in the ZS-5 from 2010. It's getting time to consider a new P&S which is why I am interested in the LX5 and its possible replacement.

07-10-2012, 03:31 PM	#9
barondla Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: midwest, United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,714	Have a Pana LX2. Nice camera love the longer format. Once I got the Q the Pana mostly sits. Q is so much quicker to operate ( like a Pentax DSLR). Q picture quality is better than LX2. Imagine the LX5 is also better than the LX2. Played with a friend's LX5 and was dismayed that the camera grew bigger than LX2. Same friend played with my Q. He now owns a Q and sold the Pana. The Q is just a joy to shoot with and I love the 3 shot HDR mode that allows the small sensor to handle great dynamic range. Then the Q pulls double duty as a macro/ tele monster camera. So cool. Then there is the fisheye lens that adds even more fun. thanks barondla

07-10-2012, 03:32 PM	#10
slackercruster Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NE, USA Posts: 1,302 Original Poster	Well, I don't care what brand it is. As long as it is a lot smaller than a K-01. It has to have xlnt IQ, large mp and would shoot wide or take a wide lens

07-10-2012, 04:23 PM - 1 Like	#12
twitch Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,571	The Sony RX100 and the Olympus EPM1 are 2 cameras that have extremely small body sizes given how big of a sensor they pack. The EPM1 at least can be had very cheaply, partner it with a pancake like a 20/1.7 or 14/2.5 and you have a very small camera with excellent IQ. The NEX series too, but their lenses are big There's no way now I'd be buying any dedicated camera with smaller than a 1" (2.7 crop) sensor, not when there are options like these. The S90/95/100 & LX3 were very good cameras for 2010 ish, but in 2012 I don't think those cameras are good choices any more.

07-10-2012, 04:38 PM	#13
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by MJL I have both LX5 & D-LUX5 in my family, and I can say D-LUX 5 has better lens coating and JPEG compression hence better IQ in general. But I wouldn't use that to argue about the huge price difference. The D-LUX5 is selling for $799 and the new RX-100 from Sony is listing at $679 or so. If I got that then the RX-100 needs to be darn good because its up in the same price range. The D-LUX5 is about 2 years old as well, so a D-LUX6 ought to be along any time.

07-10-2012, 04:43 PM	#14
twitch Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,571	Originally posted by Docrwm The D-LUX5 is selling for $799 and the new RX-100 from Sony is listing at $679 or so. If I got that then the RX-100 needs to be darn good because its up in the same price range. I think it's the other way round, the D-LUX5 is a Panasonic LX5, which makes it a more expensive camera with much smaller sensor. The RX100 is going to have far better IQ for cheaper.

07-10-2012, 04:48 PM	#15
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by twitch I think it's the other way round, the D-LUX5 is a Panasonic LX5, which makes it a more expensive camera with much smaller sensor. The RX100 is going to have far better IQ for cheaper. Still, its a Leica. Seriously, that is one camera name that sells. Most of my physician friends wouldn't know what size the sensor was in their camera if you held a gun to their head, but they would know that a Leica is a high-end piece of kit. But I see your point. The sensor in the RX100 is much larger. What about the The Samsung EX2F? It's magnesium-bodied and has a 12.4MP BSI CMOS 1/1.7" (7.44 x 5.58 mm) sensor and an f1.4 24-80mm lens, fully articulated LCD, etc. ISO sensitivity can be extended up to ISO 12,800 and it has a hotshoe. The 'F' in the model name designates WiFi, and includes Mobile Link, Remote Viewfinder, Email and Auto Backup.