Q sensor dynamic range

wolfiegirl · 01-13-2014, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by paranoia23

like being disappointed with a boat in a desert ?!

not quite

hnikesch · 01-13-2014, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by wolfiegirl

*nods*

I've been very disappointed in super low light situations with fast moving toddlers. I feel like I've gotten better shots with my phone.....

I understand your pain, Like Larry said try denoise or bump up the in camera high ISO NR a bit. The in camera noise reduction isn't bad if you don't have the software to do it. And as for you phone remember you are looking at those images in a very small screen, they fall apart after you import them and look at them on a monitor.

jezza323 · 01-13-2014, 04:43 PM

How does the Q7 sensor compare to the original Q/Q10?

wolfiegirl · 01-13-2014, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by hnikesch

I understand your pain, Like Larry said try denoise or bump up the in camera high ISO NR a bit. The in camera noise reduction isn't bad if you don't have the software to do it. And as for you phone remember you are looking at those images in a very small screen, they fall apart after you import them and look at them on a monitor.

That is a good point. I've stopped shooting in low light for now and just rely on it in good lighting. Since the firmware upgrade things seemed to have improved slightly but I haven't really given it a proper go in not so well lit areas again. IQ wise it doesn't come up to scratch compared to my k-01 but I guess it really is comparing oranges to apples. I guess in my unrealistic mind, with the way technology goes these days I just expect a dslr mirrrorless camera to outperform your every day phone or whatever, regardless of size of sensor etc.

And when I said 'my phone' I really meant I was comparing shots taken with my friend's iphones compared to my noisy ones taken on the q, both imported into facebook (where we share our photos for the mother's group).

I will look into the high ISO NR. Perhaps that will make a difference.

**crewl1** · 01-13-2014, 08:03 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jezza323

How does the Q7 sensor compare to the original Q/Q10?

The Q7 can go a stop or two higher ISO before you get comparable noise vs the Q.

fuent104 · 01-13-2014, 08:57 PM

I'd love to see the flash on the next iteration of the Q to be tiltable.

Steve.Ledger · 01-14-2014, 01:32 PM

Are there any Pentax cameras with tiltable popup flashes?

fuent104 · 01-14-2014, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

Are there any Pentax cameras with tiltable popup flashes?

Not yet, but it would be a great feature for a small sensor camera.

**crewl1** · 01-14-2014, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by fuent104

Not yet, but it would be a great feature for a small sensor camera.

I suspect that this has not been offered because the flashes are too low power to work when bounced, effectively doubling the distance.

There is a thread in this forum that discusses some small flashes with tilt feature that can be used on the Q.

**monochrome** · 01-14-2014, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by crewl1

There is a thread in this forum that discusses some small flashes with tilt feature that can be used on the Q.

I wish Pentax would offer a small dedicated flash for the Q. IMHO it would suddenly be first thought of as a capable system rather than a fun camera (though of course we know better).

fuent104 · 01-14-2014, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by crewl1

I suspect that this has not been offered because the flashes are too low power to work when bounced, effectively doubling the distance.

There is a thread in this forum that discusses some small flashes with tilt feature that can be used on the Q.

Good points. I'll have to look into that thread.

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01-13-2014, 01:56 PM	#16
wolfiegirl Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mystery Bay, NSW Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,111	Originally posted by paranoia23 like being disappointed with a boat in a desert ?! not quite

01-13-2014, 04:27 PM	#17
hnikesch Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,316	Originally posted by wolfiegirl nods I've been very disappointed in super low light situations with fast moving toddlers. I feel like I've gotten better shots with my phone..... I understand your pain, Like Larry said try denoise or bump up the in camera high ISO NR a bit. The in camera noise reduction isn't bad if you don't have the software to do it. And as for you phone remember you are looking at those images in a very small screen, they fall apart after you import them and look at them on a monitor.

01-13-2014, 04:43 PM	#18
jezza323 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,421	How does the Q7 sensor compare to the original Q/Q10?

01-13-2014, 07:53 PM	#19
wolfiegirl Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mystery Bay, NSW Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,111	Originally posted by hnikesch I understand your pain, Like Larry said try denoise or bump up the in camera high ISO NR a bit. The in camera noise reduction isn't bad if you don't have the software to do it. And as for you phone remember you are looking at those images in a very small screen, they fall apart after you import them and look at them on a monitor. That is a good point. I've stopped shooting in low light for now and just rely on it in good lighting. Since the firmware upgrade things seemed to have improved slightly but I haven't really given it a proper go in not so well lit areas again. IQ wise it doesn't come up to scratch compared to my k-01 but I guess it really is comparing oranges to apples. I guess in my unrealistic mind, with the way technology goes these days I just expect a dslr mirrrorless camera to outperform your every day phone or whatever, regardless of size of sensor etc. And when I said 'my phone' I really meant I was comparing shots taken with my friend's iphones compared to my noisy ones taken on the q, both imported into facebook (where we share our photos for the mother's group). I will look into the high ISO NR. Perhaps that will make a difference.

01-13-2014, 08:03 PM - 1 Like	#20
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807 Original Poster	Originally posted by jezza323 How does the Q7 sensor compare to the original Q/Q10? The Q7 can go a stop or two higher ISO before you get comparable noise vs the Q.

01-13-2014, 08:57 PM	#21
fuent104 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,356	I'd love to see the flash on the next iteration of the Q to be tiltable.

01-14-2014, 01:32 PM	#22
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Are there any Pentax cameras with tiltable popup flashes?

01-14-2014, 01:56 PM	#23
fuent104 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,356	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger Are there any Pentax cameras with tiltable popup flashes? Not yet, but it would be a great feature for a small sensor camera.

01-14-2014, 02:06 PM	#24
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807 Original Poster	Originally posted by fuent104 Not yet, but it would be a great feature for a small sensor camera. I suspect that this has not been offered because the flashes are too low power to work when bounced, effectively doubling the distance. There is a thread in this forum that discusses some small flashes with tilt feature that can be used on the Q.

01-14-2014, 02:23 PM	#25
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by crewl1 There is a thread in this forum that discusses some small flashes with tilt feature that can be used on the Q. I wish Pentax would offer a small dedicated flash for the Q. IMHO it would suddenly be first thought of as a capable system rather than a fun camera (though of course we know better).

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01-14-2014, 05:56 PM	#26
fuent104 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,356	Originally posted by crewl1 I suspect that this has not been offered because the flashes are too low power to work when bounced, effectively doubling the distance. There is a thread in this forum that discusses some small flashes with tilt feature that can be used on the Q. Good points. I'll have to look into that thread.