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04-07-2013, 03:55 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by tclausen Quote
True.. I have become so impressed with he performance of the 01 over that of the 02, that I now mostly leave the 02 at home.

It would be odd if Pentax stopped selling the 01 alone, and I don't think that they are, globally....at least, I saw a pile of 01-boxes in a camera shop in Japan as late as last Thursday. Might be just the US branch of Pentax doing inexplicable things once more?

As fas as I can tell, the 01 has never been sold by itself in the US, unless by a non-AD that broke kits.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Docrwm Quote
As fas as I can tell, the 01 has never been sold by itself in the US, unless by a non-AD that broke kits.
Wow, Pentax USA really are making an effort towards failing, aren't they?
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QuoteOriginally posted by wanderography Quote
There are only two native 3rd party lenses, One is the MS Optical Sonnetar 25mm f1.1 and the SLR Magic 11mm f1.4 which is like shooting a 40 on a aps-c so in the "normal" range if a little long, is a really nice lens...
I would think the 11mm f1.4 SLR Magic would be more similar to a 55mm lens due to the crop factor.

The Pentax 01 Standard at 8.5mm is a 47mm equivalent.
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QuoteOriginally posted by tclausen Quote
True.. I have become so impressed with he performance of the 01 over that of the 02, that I now mostly leave the 02 at home.

It would be odd if Pentax stopped selling the 01 alone, and I don't think that they are, globally....at least, I saw a pile of 01-boxes in a camera shop in Japan as late as last Thursday. Might be just the US branch of Pentax doing inexplicable things once more?

The Q with 01 is still available at Amazon. Not at the bargain prices we saw in December.

Amazon.com: Pentax Q 12.4 MP CMOS Sensor Kit with 8.5mm 1.9 AL [IF] Prime Lens(Black): Camera & Photo

Amazon also lists the 01 standard alone at a greatly inflated price. In the Amazon marketplace there are some listed starting at $198.

Amazon.com: Pentax-01 Standard Prime for Pentax Q Mount: Camera & Photo

Amazon.jp (Japan) has the 01 Standard Prime for about $151.

Japan Camera Hunter is a very reputable expeditor that will purchase for you camera equipment then ship it to you for a reasonable commission.

Find me a Camera | Japan Camera Hunter

I followed a link to Rakuten Ichiba from here in the Pentax Q forum to order a Pentax Q K mount adapter tripod foot. It arrived in 2 weeks. Communications on the status of the order was poor, but the order was filled and it arrived quickly.

I searched their website and found the 01 Standard Prime available. Price is higher than Amazon.jp

Rakuten: Lens [spr02P05Apr13] for 01 PENTAX STANDARD PRIME (8.5mmF1.9) "appointed date of delivery undecided reservations" PENTAX Q- Shopping Japanese products from Japan

Price is lower on their Japanese site.

http://item.rakuten.co.jp/mapcamera/4549212166488/

Yodobashi has the 01 standard prime as well at about $171

????.com - ?????? 01 STANDARD PRIME [???????? 8.5mm/F1.9 ??????Q]??????

There are multiple eBay listings for the 01 Standard Prime at about $245, many direct from Japan, with free shipping.

Currently, there are 4 Pentax Qs with the 01 on ebay at $260. Clearly a better buy as you have a second body for only $15 more than the lens alone.

Pentax Q 01 Standard Prime | eBay

The 01 standard lens is available, it just takes some work to find it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by GXRUser Quote
I would think the 11mm f1.4 SLR Magic would be more similar to a 55mm lens due to the crop factor.

The Pentax 01 Standard at 8.5mm is a 47mm equivalent.
You're using a different reference sensor, of course your results are different (61mm). The 01 prime is a 31mm eq on APS-C, which is what he was talking about.
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QuoteOriginally posted by GXRUser Quote
I would think the 11mm f1.4 SLR Magic would be more similar to a 55mm lens due to the crop factor.

The Pentax 01 Standard at 8.5mm is a 47mm equivalent.
ya thats what i meant, a 40 on an aps-c will look like a 55 - 60, same with the SLR Magic, it gives a similar view of a 40mm on an aps-c, no math equations, just a simple comparison. And also the lens was very sharp and the bokeh was very creamy, and to those who state that it's just a rebadged c-mount, it isn't. I was running a Q blog the first year it was out and posted a review of the lens and took it apart after I broke it and had mentioned it was just a rebadged c-mount on an adapter. SLR Magic had contacted me and explained more about the build to me and even offered to replace the lens for me but it broke because I dropped it under a car on concrete and didn't feel good about scamming them for a new one. It's supposedly their own design, the thing did unscrew by hand into a few a pieces, never seen any c-mount do that before, or any other lens for that matter, the only sketchy thing I found on the lens...
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QuoteOriginally posted by drougge Quote
You're using a different reference sensor, of course your results are different (61mm). The 01 prime is a 31mm eq on APS-C, which is what he was talking about.
Ok. I am confused.
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You're using a different reference sensor, of course your results are different (61mm). The 01 prime is a 31mm eq on APS-C, which is what he was talking about.
Why would you reference to APS? I know you can, but I thought that it was most common to reference to 35mm. (Ricoh does with the GXR modules as an example. An additional example is Adorama in their listing for the SLRmagic 11mm "Toy" lens describing it as a 60mm equivalent...

http://www.adorama.com/SLRT1114QM.html?

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QuoteOriginally posted by GXRUser Quote
Why would you reference to APS? I know you can, but I thought that it was most common to reference to 35mm. (Ricoh does with the GXR modules as an example. An additional example is Adorama in their listing for the SLRmagic 11mm "Toy" lens describing it as a 60mm equivalent...

SLR Magic Toy Lens 11mm f/1.4 lens for Pentax Q mount T-1114QM
There's nothing wrong with using "35mm" (36x24mm) as your reference and calling this 11mm a 60mm equivalent, but there's also nothing wrong with using some other reference. In this case wanderography used APS-C as his reference, and clearly stated that he was doing so. Stating your reference should always be clearer than not doing so.

As to why you would use APS-C as the reference, I'd rather ask why not? I'd expect there are more people on this forum used to that format.
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I do think there needs to be some standard, otherwise crop factor will go the same way as Guide Numbers have for flash, the multiple standards make it virtually useless for comparing flashguns (strobes) one from another.

35mm (36mm X 24mm) as a datum for measuring focal length angle of view is pretty much a standard for comparative measures, it should be standardised otherwise crop factor becomes meaningless.

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I do think there needs to be some standard, otherwise crop factor will go the same way as Guide Numbers have for flash, the multiple standards make it virtually useless for comparing flashguns (strobes) one from another.
Unlikes flashes, where they can fudge the numbers by varying coverage and what ISO they talk about (and probably other things I didn't think of), rarely telling you what they used, crop factor is trivially mathematically equivalent (a simple multiplication is all you need to normalize it) no matter what same-shape reference you use. APS-C and FF happens to be the same shape. (When shape differs it becomes a little fuzzier, but using the diagonal seems to be pretty much the agreed on standard.)

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35mm (36mm X 24mm) as a datum for measuring focal length angle of view is pretty much a standard for comparative measures, it should be standardised otherwise crop factor becomes meaningless.
It is fairly meaningless. Mixing up up a little is good as far as I'm concerned, because it might lessen the risk of people considering 35mm as the Truth, capital T and all. (And that annoys me. It even causes me to argue on the internet. Sorry about that.)
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QuoteOriginally posted by drougge Quote
Mixing up up a little is good as far as I'm concerned, because it might lessen the risk of people considering 35mm as the Truth, capital T and all.
Medium-format is the Truth!
(At least until the large-format folks hear about it...)

BTW, "universal" standards for measurement and comparison are useful and needed, regardless of what that standard might imply. Just ask those people stuck on English measurements in a Metric world...
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QuoteOriginally posted by panoguy Quote
Medium-format is the Truth!
(At least until the large-format folks hear about it...)
Photos have always been 6x9. (We have always been at war with Eurasia.)

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BTW, "universal" standards for measurement and comparison are useful and needed, regardless of what that standard might imply. Just ask those people stuck on English measurements in a Metric world...
I'm well aware of the general usefulness, but (non-standard) standards that people get so stuck in they don't even see the specified unit are problematic. (That's what happened here. To make it into a metric example, someone said something was 4cm, but the over-standardised brain of the reader saw 4m, because "that's the standard unit".) Shaking these people up a bit is for their own good. (Plus, as mentioned, arguing on the internet, serious business.)
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QuoteOriginally posted by drougge Quote
You're using a different reference sensor, of course your results are different (61mm). The 01 prime is a 31mm eq on APS-C, which is what he was talking about.
Ok, I get it now.

The 01 is a 35mm 47mm equivalent.

To achieve the same field of view with an APS-C sensor, one would have to use a 31mm lens on APS-C to achieve a "47mm" 35mm equivalent.

So with the 11mm SLRmagic achieving a 61mm equivalent, one would have to use a 40mm lens on a APS-C sensor camera for the same field of view.

Going back to the introduction of APS cameras (remember the Nikon Pronea?) I have always seen crop sensor multipliers indexed to 35mm equivalents.
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On a brighter note it seems that the 01 8.5mm lens is available again at least here in the UK

Pentax 01 Standard Prime Lens for Q-Series Cameras - UNBOXED - Only £119.00 - SRS Microsystems

This is my most used lens, it's superb.

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