Share your shots with the 03 Fisheye

drougge · 10-02-2013, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by digital029art

Interesting, so the Q7 crops it's 12M sensor when using the 03 fisheye. Then this means that the Q7 with 03 is actually giving you less resolution that the original flavor Q ?

Fewer pixels, probably not less resolution.

Also someone else showed it to be a little wider on the Q7. (Still cropped, but not quite down to Q sensor size.)

hnikesch · 10-02-2013, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by drougge

Fewer pixels, probably not less resolution.

Also someone else showed it to be a little wider on the Q7. (Still cropped, but not quite down to Q sensor size.)

Drougge, is the Q7 with 03 the same image crop in raw and jpeg

Hans

drougge · 10-02-2013, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by hnikesch

Drougge, is the Q7 with 03 the same image crop in raw and jpeg

Unlikely, since aspect settings don't crop the raw. It probably contains cropping information that some raw converters may enforce though. I'd need to see such a raw to be sure.

hnikesch · 10-03-2013, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by drougge

Unlikely, since aspect settings don't crop the raw. It probably contains cropping information that some raw converters may enforce though. I'd need to see such a raw to be sure.

I was wondering if the raw image showed corner vignetting when using the 03 lens

Hans

**crewl1** · 10-06-2013, 07:24 AM

I will compare them today and post a couple of shots.

hnikesch · 10-07-2013, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by crewl1

I will compare them today and post a couple of shots.

The in camera crop for the 03 lens should be deactivated in the Q7 if you insulate the lens contacts when mounting the 03, it would be interesting to see what the outcome would look like.

Hans

**crewl1** · 10-07-2013, 10:13 AM - **2 Likes**

Comparison photos with 03 on Q, Q7 default, Q7 blocked contacts.
I kept the tree across the street in the center of grid.
Hardest part was trying to use non adhesive plastic sheet as to not get any residue on the contacts.
I thought I had focused the 03 properly on the Q, but the on the Q7 it looks so much better!
I did not do any sharpening or image adjustments.

Q

Q7 default

Q7 blocked contacts

hnikesch · 10-07-2013, 02:32 PM

Wow that's what I had assumed would happen, Now it would be nice to have the option to crop or not to crop. My 03 should arrive today I will have to try this on my Q but I am not holding my breath for a wider view. Thanks Larry

Hans

**barondla** · 10-07-2013, 08:58 PM

Cool comparison crewl1. With the Q7 the fisheye is even more fisheye. Then block the contacts and wow, even fishier. So much to think about now.
thanks
barondla

**crewl1** · 10-07-2013, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by hnikesch

Now it would be nice to have the option to crop or not to crop.

Not optional in the menu. The 03 deactivates the lens correction feature, this would have been the obvious place to leave the choice.

To block the contacts I had to cut a thin cellophane sheet in a curve to drop into the lens over the contact slot.
I tried first just putting in the lens rotated part way in the bayonet but the camera would not show an image as it had already shorted some contacts.

I guess if you like the version with the vignetted corners you could make the mod more permanent with a piece of tape.

**crewl1** · 10-07-2013, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by barondla

Cool comparison crewl1. With the Q7 the fisheye is even more fisheye. Then block the contacts and wow, even fishier. So muc to think about now.
thanks
barondla

My pleasure! The Q7 really is an improved Q as far as performance and IQ.

digital029art · 10-08-2013, 05:39 AM

Thanks for the comparisons Larry, just what I wanted to see! Could you put up 100% crops of same so we can see the resolution difference? Thx!

drougge · 10-08-2013, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by crewl1

I tried first just putting in the lens rotated part way in the bayonet but the camera would not show an image as it had already shorted some contacts.

It's not because of the contacts, it's pushing in the lens release pin.

Originally posted by crewl1

I guess if you like the version with the vignetted corners you could make the mod more permanent with a piece of tape.

Or shoot raw, I'm still assuming you get the whole image there. (Unverified, but likely.)

**crewl1** · 10-08-2013, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by drougge

Or shoot raw, I'm still assuming you get the whole image there. (Unverified, but likely.)

RAW or JPEG show the same resulting crop of the 03 on the Q7 when the lens is recognized by the camera.
Only way around it is to defeat the communication with the lens.

drougge · 10-08-2013, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by crewl1

RAW or JPEG show the same resulting crop of the 03 on the Q7 when the lens is recognized by the camera.

Are you sure? I don't mean to imply you don't get that result, but do you know that it's not just your raw processor enforcing crop information in the DNG? (Once again, I'm basing this on my experience that setting the aspect has no effect on what is recorded in the DNG on the original Q, except the embedded JPEG and crop info.)

The easiest way to shut me up about this would probably be to provide such a raw to look at.

(After I report on whatever I find in it of course.)

10-07-2013, 02:32 PM	#83
hnikesch Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,316	Wow that's what I had assumed would happen, Now it would be nice to have the option to crop or not to crop. My 03 should arrive today I will have to try this on my Q but I am not holding my breath for a wider view. Thanks Larry Hans Last edited by hnikesch; 10-07-2013 at 02:38 PM.

10-07-2013, 08:58 PM	#84
barondla Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: midwest, United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,715	Cool comparison crewl1. With the Q7 the fisheye is even more fisheye. Then block the contacts and wow, even fishier. So much to think about now. thanks barondla Last edited by barondla; 10-08-2013 at 01:13 AM.

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10-02-2013, 05:40 PM	#76
drougge Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malmö Photos: Gallery Posts: 787	Originally posted by digital029art Interesting, so the Q7 crops it's 12M sensor when using the 03 fisheye. Then this means that the Q7 with 03 is actually giving you less resolution that the original flavor Q ? Fewer pixels, probably not less resolution. Also someone else showed it to be a little wider on the Q7. (Still cropped, but not quite down to Q sensor size.)

10-02-2013, 07:03 PM	#77
hnikesch Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,316	Originally posted by drougge Fewer pixels, probably not less resolution. Also someone else showed it to be a little wider on the Q7. (Still cropped, but not quite down to Q sensor size.) Drougge, is the Q7 with 03 the same image crop in raw and jpeg Hans

10-02-2013, 11:29 PM	#78
drougge Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malmö Photos: Gallery Posts: 787	Originally posted by hnikesch Drougge, is the Q7 with 03 the same image crop in raw and jpeg Unlikely, since aspect settings don't crop the raw. It probably contains cropping information that some raw converters may enforce though. I'd need to see such a raw to be sure.

10-03-2013, 06:18 AM	#79
hnikesch Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,316	Originally posted by drougge Unlikely, since aspect settings don't crop the raw. It probably contains cropping information that some raw converters may enforce though. I'd need to see such a raw to be sure. I was wondering if the raw image showed corner vignetting when using the 03 lens Hans

10-06-2013, 07:24 AM	#80
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	I will compare them today and post a couple of shots.

10-07-2013, 06:43 AM	#81
hnikesch Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,316	Originally posted by crewl1 I will compare them today and post a couple of shots. The in camera crop for the 03 lens should be deactivated in the Q7 if you insulate the lens contacts when mounting the 03, it would be interesting to see what the outcome would look like. Hans

10-07-2013, 10:13 AM - 2 Likes	#82
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Comparison photos with 03 on Q, Q7 default, Q7 blocked contacts. I kept the tree across the street in the center of grid. Hardest part was trying to use non adhesive plastic sheet as to not get any residue on the contacts. I thought I had focused the 03 properly on the Q, but the on the Q7 it looks so much better! I did not do any sharpening or image adjustments. Q Q7 default Q7 blocked contacts

10-07-2013, 09:15 PM	#85
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Originally posted by hnikesch Now it would be nice to have the option to crop or not to crop. Not optional in the menu. The 03 deactivates the lens correction feature, this would have been the obvious place to leave the choice. To block the contacts I had to cut a thin cellophane sheet in a curve to drop into the lens over the contact slot. I tried first just putting in the lens rotated part way in the bayonet but the camera would not show an image as it had already shorted some contacts. I guess if you like the version with the vignetted corners you could make the mod more permanent with a piece of tape.

10-07-2013, 09:17 PM	#86
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Originally posted by barondla Cool comparison crewl1. With the Q7 the fisheye is even more fisheye. Then block the contacts and wow, even fishier. So muc to think about now. thanks barondla My pleasure! The Q7 really is an improved Q as far as performance and IQ.

10-08-2013, 05:39 AM	#87
digital029art Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 440	Thanks for the comparisons Larry, just what I wanted to see! Could you put up 100% crops of same so we can see the resolution difference? Thx!

10-08-2013, 05:55 AM	#88
drougge Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malmö Photos: Gallery Posts: 787	Originally posted by crewl1 I tried first just putting in the lens rotated part way in the bayonet but the camera would not show an image as it had already shorted some contacts. It's not because of the contacts, it's pushing in the lens release pin. Originally posted by crewl1 I guess if you like the version with the vignetted corners you could make the mod more permanent with a piece of tape. Or shoot raw, I'm still assuming you get the whole image there. (Unverified, but likely.)

10-08-2013, 08:04 AM	#89
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Originally posted by drougge Or shoot raw, I'm still assuming you get the whole image there. (Unverified, but likely.) RAW or JPEG show the same resulting crop of the 03 on the Q7 when the lens is recognized by the camera. Only way around it is to defeat the communication with the lens.

10-08-2013, 11:02 AM	#90
drougge Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malmö Photos: Gallery Posts: 787	Originally posted by crewl1 RAW or JPEG show the same resulting crop of the 03 on the Q7 when the lens is recognized by the camera. Are you sure? I don't mean to imply you don't get that result, but do you know that it's not just your raw processor enforcing crop information in the DNG? (Once again, I'm basing this on my experience that setting the aspect has no effect on what is recorded in the DNG on the original Q, except the embedded JPEG and crop info.) The easiest way to shut me up about this would probably be to provide such a raw to look at. (After I report on whatever I find in it of course.)