Q Telephoto Macro to be shown at CP+

bluefoam · 02-12-2014, 09:24 AM

Was this lens ever shown/launched? I haven't seen anything about it...

**StigVidar** · 02-12-2014, 12:26 PM

It's a good idea to wait until cp+ starts :-)

paranoia23 · 02-13-2014, 10:52 PM

f1.x .... f2 ... 1:1 ... are you people on drugs ?!

**crewl1** · 02-13-2014, 11:10 PM

Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see the appeal if you already have a Q-K adapter and a K mount macro.

What am I missing?

**geomez** · 02-13-2014, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by crewl1

Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see the appeal if you already have a Q-K adapter and a K mount macro.

What am I missing?

Couldn't the same be said for the 06 telephoto zoom? I think Pentax would like to have a complete kit without the need for adapters. Also a complete kit offers more enticing and straight forward options for non-Pentaxians that may not already have a bunch of K mount glass.

pinholecam · 02-14-2014, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by crewl1

Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see the appeal if you already have a Q-K adapter and a K mount macro.

What am I missing?

I replied this on another discussion.

For me....
With a native lens with built in shutter.

The following are possible :
1. Wide open operation even for aperture settings smaller than that (useful to get a clear image on the LCD).
On the current adapters, the adapted lenses have closed apertures (often f8 for macro) and the LCD gains up, resulting in a noisy LCD image for focusing.

2. Easy daytime macro shooting with 1/250 external flash and 1/1000 internal flash sync speeds (that internal flash can also trigger external flash like the YN560II in S2 mode)

3. PTTL for the macros

4. Much lighter macro setup for hand holding

5. Maybe AF will be possible

hoffo · 02-14-2014, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by paranoia23

f1.x .... f2 ... 1:1 ... are you people on drugs ?!

Tamron makes an f2 1:1 macro lens for APS-C. Are you suggesting it's not possible?

lister6520 · 02-14-2014, 01:53 AM

One of the big disadvantages of using adapted lenses on the Q series is that you lose the mechanical shutter (which exists only in the lenses) and have to use the lecetronic shutter instead which has some significant limitations such as 1/13 max sync speed for flash and 2 seconds slowest shutter speed.
Flash operation is also crippled when using non Q lenses - a non-PTTL flash just won't work at all.

The electronic shutter issue is of course something that cannot be fixed in firmware but the weird behaviour of manual flashes when using adapted lenses can and should be fixed ASAP in firmware,

JanG · 02-14-2014, 01:58 AM

If Ricoh was serious about this lens they definitely should make it fast, even very fast like f/1.2 or f/1.4, and, of course, 1:1 or even 2:1. And, of course, that will make the lens expensive. But such a lens would offer fantastic dof and a lot of light. Thus it would be ideal for available light macro photography. Light, easy to handle, even pocketable (within limitations). Something like a macro snap shooter's dream (and often the bugs don't wait for you to get the big gear ready). I'd buy such a lens in an instant.

**barondla** · 02-14-2014, 02:49 AM

Image quality. I don't consider adapted lenses to have the same image quality as the 01 Q lens. Even with the Pentax shuttered adapter and DFA 100 macro. The only exception I have ran into, is the Pentax DA*300. A macro lens designed for the Q format should have killer IQ and may be the only Q lens to beat the 01.
thanks
barondla

paranoia23 · 02-14-2014, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by hoffo

Tamron makes an f2 1:1 macro lens for APS-C. Are you suggesting it's not possible?

and since a bugatti veyron does more then 255 miles per hour you expect your bycicle to do the same ?!

but lemme check magnifications of the K and the Q bajonett standard lenses
da 18-55mm .... 0.34
lens 02 ... 0.06

and now you demand a lens ... F1.2 and magnification of 1 ... ridiculous

hoffo · 02-14-2014, 03:22 AM

Guess we'll just have to see what they have to show us. I'm definitely not expecting f1.2 lol.

**geomez** · 02-14-2014, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by JanG

If Ricoh was serious about this lens they definitely should make it fast, even very fast like f/1.2 or f/1.4, and, of course, 1:1 or even 2:1. And, of course, that will make the lens expensive. But such a lens would offer fantastic dof and a lot of light. Thus it would be ideal for available light macro photography. Light, easy to handle, even pocketable (within limitations). Something like a macro snap shooter's dream (and often the bugs don't wait for you to get the big gear ready). I'd buy such a lens in an instant.

If were gonna dream big lets hope for a f .95!

JanG · 02-14-2014, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by paranoia23

and since a bugatti veyron does more then 255 miles per hour you expect your bycicle to do the same ?!

but lemme check magnifications of the K and the Q bajonett standard lenses
da 18-55mm .... 0.34
lens 02 ... 0.06

and now you demand a lens ... F1.2 and magnification of 1 ... ridiculous

And your comparison tells us exactly what? - Uhm, nothing?
There are lots of cheap and simple P&S cameras out there offering close up modes which are not that bad - just as a free add on feature of there lousy zooms. And you do not believe this (f/1.2 or f/1.4) was possible with a dedicated (and expensive) lens? Any substantial input beyond "ridiculous"?

Doundounba · 02-14-2014, 06:14 AM

In the picture I have seen (posted by PentaxForums in their CP+ coverage), all specs are blacked out. It's right here.

02-14-2014, 06:14 AM	#30
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	In the picture I have seen (posted by PentaxForums in their CP+ coverage), all specs are blacked out. It's right here. Last edited by Doundounba; 02-14-2014 at 06:16 AM. Reason: PF is plural

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bluefoam Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 115	Was this lens ever shown/launched? I haven't seen anything about it...

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StigVidar Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 705	It's a good idea to wait until cp+ starts :-)

02-13-2014, 10:52 PM	#18
paranoia23 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 188	f1.x .... f2 ... 1:1 ... are you people on drugs ?!

02-13-2014, 11:10 PM	#19
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see the appeal if you already have a Q-K adapter and a K mount macro. What am I missing?

02-13-2014, 11:45 PM	#20
geomez Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Roanoke, Virginia, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,760	Originally posted by crewl1 Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see the appeal if you already have a Q-K adapter and a K mount macro. What am I missing? Couldn't the same be said for the 06 telephoto zoom? I think Pentax would like to have a complete kit without the need for adapters. Also a complete kit offers more enticing and straight forward options for non-Pentaxians that may not already have a bunch of K mount glass.

02-14-2014, 12:04 AM	#21
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,709	Originally posted by crewl1 Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see the appeal if you already have a Q-K adapter and a K mount macro. What am I missing? I replied this on another discussion. For me.... With a native lens with built in shutter. The following are possible : 1. Wide open operation even for aperture settings smaller than that (useful to get a clear image on the LCD). On the current adapters, the adapted lenses have closed apertures (often f8 for macro) and the LCD gains up, resulting in a noisy LCD image for focusing. 2. Easy daytime macro shooting with 1/250 external flash and 1/1000 internal flash sync speeds (that internal flash can also trigger external flash like the YN560II in S2 mode) 3. PTTL for the macros 4. Much lighter macro setup for hand holding 5. Maybe AF will be possible

02-14-2014, 12:54 AM	#22
hoffo Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 89 Original Poster	Originally posted by paranoia23 f1.x .... f2 ... 1:1 ... are you people on drugs ?! Tamron makes an f2 1:1 macro lens for APS-C. Are you suggesting it's not possible?

02-14-2014, 01:53 AM	#23
lister6520 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 733	One of the big disadvantages of using adapted lenses on the Q series is that you lose the mechanical shutter (which exists only in the lenses) and have to use the lecetronic shutter instead which has some significant limitations such as 1/13 max sync speed for flash and 2 seconds slowest shutter speed. Flash operation is also crippled when using non Q lenses - a non-PTTL flash just won't work at all. The electronic shutter issue is of course something that cannot be fixed in firmware but the weird behaviour of manual flashes when using adapted lenses can and should be fixed ASAP in firmware,

02-14-2014, 01:58 AM	#24
JanG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Berlin, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 150	If Ricoh was serious about this lens they definitely should make it fast, even very fast like f/1.2 or f/1.4, and, of course, 1:1 or even 2:1. And, of course, that will make the lens expensive. But such a lens would offer fantastic dof and a lot of light. Thus it would be ideal for available light macro photography. Light, easy to handle, even pocketable (within limitations). Something like a macro snap shooter's dream (and often the bugs don't wait for you to get the big gear ready). I'd buy such a lens in an instant.

02-14-2014, 02:49 AM	#25
barondla Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: midwest, United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,717	Image quality. I don't consider adapted lenses to have the same image quality as the 01 Q lens. Even with the Pentax shuttered adapter and DFA 100 macro. The only exception I have ran into, is the Pentax DA*300. A macro lens designed for the Q format should have killer IQ and may be the only Q lens to beat the 01. thanks barondla

02-14-2014, 03:05 AM	#26
paranoia23 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 188	Originally posted by hoffo Tamron makes an f2 1:1 macro lens for APS-C. Are you suggesting it's not possible? and since a bugatti veyron does more then 255 miles per hour you expect your bycicle to do the same ?! but lemme check magnifications of the K and the Q bajonett standard lenses da 18-55mm .... 0.34 lens 02 ... 0.06 and now you demand a lens ... F1.2 and magnification of 1 ... ridiculous

02-14-2014, 03:22 AM	#27
hoffo Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 89 Original Poster	Guess we'll just have to see what they have to show us. I'm definitely not expecting f1.2 lol.

02-14-2014, 03:36 AM	#28
geomez Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Roanoke, Virginia, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,760	Originally posted by JanG If Ricoh was serious about this lens they definitely should make it fast, even very fast like f/1.2 or f/1.4, and, of course, 1:1 or even 2:1. And, of course, that will make the lens expensive. But such a lens would offer fantastic dof and a lot of light. Thus it would be ideal for available light macro photography. Light, easy to handle, even pocketable (within limitations). Something like a macro snap shooter's dream (and often the bugs don't wait for you to get the big gear ready). I'd buy such a lens in an instant. If were gonna dream big lets hope for a f .95!

02-14-2014, 03:54 AM	#29
JanG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Berlin, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 150	Originally posted by paranoia23 and since a bugatti veyron does more then 255 miles per hour you expect your bycicle to do the same ?! but lemme check magnifications of the K and the Q bajonett standard lenses da 18-55mm .... 0.34 lens 02 ... 0.06 and now you demand a lens ... F1.2 and magnification of 1 ... ridiculous And your comparison tells us exactly what? - Uhm, nothing? There are lots of cheap and simple P&S cameras out there offering close up modes which are not that bad - just as a free add on feature of there lousy zooms. And you do not believe this (f/1.2 or f/1.4) was possible with a dedicated (and expensive) lens? Any substantial input beyond "ridiculous"?