Originally posted by Imageman Im not seeing anything convincing that suggests this lens is useless for portraits.
If you want a razor sharp portrait lens with shallow depth of field that's up to you. Personally I think a razor sharp portrait is no portrait at all.
Ill say it again lets see what the lens produces before dismissing it.
I said this:-
Holga were made for experimental art pictures so the images will be soft and smeary.
You ask if it might be cheap and nasty and that question speaks volumes, I hope to give you something to think about before rejecting this lens.
This lens could be described as cheap and nasty or bad, but that would be a mistake. It is designed to mimic some of the old fashioned lenses of over a hundred years ago.
Images taken with these old lenses are respected and are seen as attractive, having a timeless charm. The problem is if you try it on all subjects you get a disaster, an architectural image is all wrong with this lens. Sport and action is all wrong, wildlife and landscape is all wrong.
But if you concentrate on people shots portraits and images that can evoke emotions then your in the ballpark of where this lens lives.
Many lenses over 100 years ago were very soft and smeary particularly single meniscus box brownie camera lenses. Soft images have a character all their own. And whats wrong with a plastic lens anyway.
Have you guys looked at pinhole cameras, no lens at all soft and smeary and with a character all their own.
Im not saying a Holga makes fabulous images, im saying it will be soft and smeary, are you saying that's wrong? they could be good for portraits given half a chance.
Rendition you were quick at first to dismiss this lens saying its useless without giving it a chance, then you suggest its better for architecture than portrait, then you say your all for experimentation.
Get off your high horse and let the images speak.
Anyone can say any old rubbish they want its the image that matters. I for one want to see what you get.
Stop the bickering and lets see the results.
There is no bickering. Let me re-emphasize: I just want to see you, ImageMan, shoot the Holga 10mm on pentax Q as a portrait len on people. Stop detracting with long sentences. I'm also not high-horse, but it seemed dubious that someone of your 50 years + caliber of shooting photography suggesting that Holga 10mm is generally good for portrait. Also, you seemed to misunderstand what I wrote, so let me state again in regarding to the Holga 10mm on Q: Experimentation portrait: yes, practical portrait: no.
And let's not get into comparing meniscus lens because it's orange and apple: it was designed to use on film, not digital. Pentax Q has among the worst sensors lpm of 300+ (and now you know why the Q-S1 is still at 12.4mp), and there is currently no known modern still/cine lens aside from that Otus Distagon that have the resolving power that surpass 300lpm. Plastic lens are FUN to use on Q, but are falling short of achieving good result due to Q's sensor.
Also, the reason why I suggested it is for landscape is because of the Holga's 10mm's Field-of-View of f/45
At fiew of view of/45, it will be SHARP center, not soft for portrait; and when you zoom in to do pixel-peeping, it will be blurry because of the len's limited resolving power.
Go on, take a portrait picture on Q, imageman, with that Holga 10mm. It will be sharp center and you will see everything in the background, unless it is intentionally motion-induced, out-of-focus, or blurred after post-processing.
Last edited by rendition; 08-11-2014 at 06:42 PM.