Originally posted by starbase218 I wonder, after these words, if there's any point in posting more on my part. I sense you feel irritated by me, maybe even offended, and you react to that. And maybe I should let this go and leave you be. But I have no quibble with you as a person, and your shots may be fantastic. What I'm trying to say is that your shots can be fantastic, even if they're taken at the equivalent of something like 1400mm, f/26 and ISO 102400. What I'm also trying to say is that those numbers may not matter so much.
If that is so, then why do you feel the need to tell people you are shooting with an equivalent 1400mm f/5.6 lens? Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't understand the need for people to claim something that is not correct. At the end of the day, your shots will not improve from it, will they?
Maybe the relative ISO performance of the Q7's sensor is really good? After all, it is a BSI sensor.
Truth and personal experience are two very different things. In my opinion, experience is what matters most. But truth can provide insights and help you understand certain things better. The simple facts are, you are not getting the DoF of an f/5.6 lens at 1400mm, and you are probably not too far from diffraction limits (maybe diffraction is already occurring). So it's more than just noise.
I'm going to repeat myself: all of this doesn't mean that you can't enjoy your photos, and that you can't create wonderful shots. Because that has nothing to do with any of this stuff: ISO, aperture, diffraction limits or noise.
I understand the problem of not being able to accurately communicate the capabilities of your setup. If the photographic world would come up with a relative ISO rating that has a codependence on sensor size, then maybe you'd be more inclined to say you shoot at the equivalent of 1400mm and f/26. And maybe it would reflect your experiences better too. That's the problem really. The photographic vocabulary is too limited right now to accurately tell the whole story.
Or let's just keep it simple: show the pictures, then show the camera. This may be the best way to "sell" someone on the Pentax Q.
So what do you know, truth has provided even an answer to the question originally posted in this topic.
If I sound irritated, it is because you persist in using this mathematical f/26 construct (another two times in the post above) I would never be inclined to use that language because it conveys false meaning to someone having actual experience; that is, it would totally misrepresent my experience. From your words, including in the post above, I'm fairly sure that you yourself have no experience with what we are talking about.
I got my first 35mm camera, a totally manual camera, in 1969, so I have almost 50 years of experience with adjustable cameras. I 'm not sure how much is a result of my backgound as a mathematician and how much is a result of that experience, but I have a very clear instinctual grasp of f-stops, and every fiber of that understanding gets vertigo when you repeat that f/26, because the implications are so inconsistent with what I actually see. f/26 tells me that I will need perfect conditions (which isn't going to happen here in the snow-belt of Indiana so close to Lake Michigan), or totally unreasonable ISO, to have any hope of getting a decent image; that is false, as setting my lens at f/5.6
does give me shutter speeds more consistent with f/8 than with anything else. f/26 tells me that I can forget about getting bokeh, pleasing or otherwise, so I need to be very careful about the background because essentially everything back there will be in focus; that is also false. Small sensor cameras like the Q family are known for giving lots of depth-of-field, even if you wanted bokeh, but setting my lens at f/5.6
does give me depth-of-field more consistent with f/5.6 than anything else; f/26 should mean that manual focusing my lens would be trivial, but I had to get the focus right-on or else have a blurry image, and with the bird feeder fifty feet from me, the embankment at most another 20 feet beyond was very definitely in the land of bokeh.
So, I don't tell people, "this camera makes my Sigma lens behave like a 330-1400mm f/26 lens". I don't mention f-stops at all, because that would convey more mis-information than anything else. What I do tell people is, "this camera makes my Sigma lens behave like a 330-1400 lens", because that accurately conveys to them that I can sit, huddled in the cold fifty feet from the bird-feeder, and have that feeder fill the frame. And, yes, I do enjoy using this camera, because that depends only on what I see and experience, not upon the math that leads to false despair.