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D1N0 · 04-26-2018, 04:43 PM - **3 Likes**

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How about that huh!

6BQ5 · 04-26-2018, 04:47 PM - **2 Likes**

I recently bought (and returned) a Lumix ZS60. Oh my, oh my! IQ at base ISO on a bright sunny day was horrible to say the least. It's easy to forget just how good Pentax is at melding sensor and image processing technology to produce surprisingly clean images.

**twilhelm** · 04-26-2018, 05:04 PM - **1 Like**

I really do like my Q10, but the surprise for me is the Q is #4 on the list. For its age, that’s impressive.

reh321 · 04-26-2018, 07:15 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by twilhelm

I really do like my Q10, but the surprise for me is the Q is #4 on the list. For its age, that’s impressive.

Too bad they never tested the Q-7 or Q-S1

ZombieArmy · 04-26-2018, 08:06 PM - **1 Like**

That's actually impressive. 2012 camera beating these 2017 release cameras.

Pioneer · 04-26-2018, 09:19 PM

I just wish it were enough to convince Ricoh to bring a new Q with further improved sensor technology to market.

Not to mention continuing to bolster the lens line.

I really do believe that this little system has still more potential for photographers then has yet been shown.

D1N0 · 04-27-2018, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by ZombieArmy

That's actually impressive. 2012 camera beating these 2017 release cameras.

Yeah. It is, but small sensor development if much more focussed on smartphones these days. I wonder how it compares to those. The Q10 is much cheaper though.

6BQ5 · 04-27-2018, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Too bad they never tested the Q-7 or Q-S1

Supposedly, the MX-1 has the same sensor. You can use that as your Q7 when comparing models.

D1N0 · 04-27-2018, 08:08 AM

But the MX-1 was just made to spec for Pentax, and not by Pentax. It was made in Indonesia in de same factory that made the Olympus XZ-1/2 I think just the externals were designed by Pentax/Ricoh.

6BQ5 · 04-27-2018, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

But the MX-1 was just made to spec for Pentax, and not by Pentax. It was made in Indonesia in de same factory that made the Olympus XZ-1/2 I think just the externals were designed by Pentax/Ricoh.

Ahh, so the sensor could be similar but not identical?

D1N0 · 04-27-2018, 08:34 AM

Probably also a Sony sensor. The Lens/sensor combination is the same as in the Olympus XZ-1/XZ-2. I don't know whether the rest of the internals. You have to do some low level stuff to get the most out of raw sensor data, so if it is all third party except for appearance, Pentax probably didn't do the optimisations themselves.

reh321 · 04-27-2018, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Yeah. It is, but small sensor development if much more focussed on smartphones these days. I wonder how it compares to those. The Q10 is much cheaper though.

Presumably they could use a sensor designed for smart phones, BUT in their CP+ interview with DPReview, Pentax explicitly said they are going to focus on K-mount rather on smaller cameras.

angerdan · 04-27-2018, 11:10 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

Presumably they could use a sensor designed for smart phones, BUT in their CP+ interview with DPReview, Pentax explicitly said they are going to focus on K-mount rather on smaller cameras.

Which doesn't exclude a successor of the K-01

2old4toys · 04-28-2018, 09:51 PM - **1 Like**

Cool that the Q is up there today still! Side note, why sensor sizes referred to in inches yet even in America the focal length of a lens is in mm?

ZombieArmy · 04-29-2018, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by 2old4toys

Cool that the Q is up there today still! Side note, why sensor sizes referred to in inches yet even in America the focal length of a lens is in mm?

Why is milk represented in gallons but soda in liters? Because we Americans are weird.

04-26-2018, 04:43 PM - 3 Likes	#1
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04-26-2018, 04:47 PM - 2 Likes	#2
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	I recently bought (and returned) a Lumix ZS60. Oh my, oh my! IQ at base ISO on a bright sunny day was horrible to say the least. It's easy to forget just how good Pentax is at melding sensor and image processing technology to produce surprisingly clean images.

04-26-2018, 05:04 PM - 1 Like	#3
twilhelm Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,369	I really do like my Q10, but the surprise for me is the Q is #4 on the list. For its age, that’s impressive.

04-26-2018, 07:15 PM - 1 Like	#4
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by twilhelm I really do like my Q10, but the surprise for me is the Q is #4 on the list. For its age, that’s impressive. Too bad they never tested the Q-7 or Q-S1

04-26-2018, 08:06 PM - 1 Like	#5
ZombieArmy Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 3,210	That's actually impressive. 2012 camera beating these 2017 release cameras.

04-26-2018, 09:19 PM	#6
Pioneer Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wandering the Streets Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,411	I just wish it were enough to convince Ricoh to bring a new Q with further improved sensor technology to market. Not to mention continuing to bolster the lens line. I really do believe that this little system has still more potential for photographers then has yet been shown.

04-27-2018, 02:52 AM	#7
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802 Original Poster	Originally posted by ZombieArmy That's actually impressive. 2012 camera beating these 2017 release cameras. Yeah. It is, but small sensor development if much more focussed on smartphones these days. I wonder how it compares to those. The Q10 is much cheaper though.

04-27-2018, 07:05 AM	#8
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	Originally posted by reh321 Too bad they never tested the Q-7 or Q-S1 Supposedly, the MX-1 has the same sensor. You can use that as your Q7 when comparing models.

04-27-2018, 08:08 AM	#9
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802 Original Poster	But the MX-1 was just made to spec for Pentax, and not by Pentax. It was made in Indonesia in de same factory that made the Olympus XZ-1/2 I think just the externals were designed by Pentax/Ricoh.

04-27-2018, 08:22 AM	#10
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	Originally posted by D1N0 But the MX-1 was just made to spec for Pentax, and not by Pentax. It was made in Indonesia in de same factory that made the Olympus XZ-1/2 I think just the externals were designed by Pentax/Ricoh. Ahh, so the sensor could be similar but not identical?

04-27-2018, 08:34 AM	#11
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802 Original Poster	Probably also a Sony sensor. The Lens/sensor combination is the same as in the Olympus XZ-1/XZ-2. I don't know whether the rest of the internals. You have to do some low level stuff to get the most out of raw sensor data, so if it is all third party except for appearance, Pentax probably didn't do the optimisations themselves.

04-27-2018, 10:47 AM	#12
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by D1N0 Yeah. It is, but small sensor development if much more focussed on smartphones these days. I wonder how it compares to those. The Q10 is much cheaper though. Presumably they could use a sensor designed for smart phones, BUT in their CP+ interview with DPReview, Pentax explicitly said they are going to focus on K-mount rather on smaller cameras.

04-27-2018, 11:10 AM - 1 Like	#13
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,643	Originally posted by reh321 Presumably they could use a sensor designed for smart phones, BUT in their CP+ interview with DPReview, Pentax explicitly said they are going to focus on K-mount rather on smaller cameras. Which doesn't exclude a successor of the K-01

04-28-2018, 09:51 PM - 1 Like	#14
2old4toys Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 391	Cool that the Q is up there today still! Side note, why sensor sizes referred to in inches yet even in America the focal length of a lens is in mm?

04-29-2018, 08:33 PM	#15
ZombieArmy Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 3,210	Originally posted by 2old4toys Cool that the Q is up there today still! Side note, why sensor sizes referred to in inches yet even in America the focal length of a lens is in mm? Why is milk represented in gallons but soda in liters? Because we Americans are weird.

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