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07-16-2018, 07:12 AM   #16
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I have a K3II and a suite of nice lenses to go with it, including the DFA 150-450. So, am I just wasting $200 bucks to buy one of these adapters to mount one of these lenses, or is this something I must have given that I already have these lenses?
Can you get a good 450mm x 4.44 = 2000mm equivalent lens for $200 any other way?

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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
Can you get a good 450mm x 4.44 = 2000mm equivalent lens for $200 any other way?
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A Q camera, adapter, red dot scope, and a telephoto lens are lots of fun to play with. This set up is a novelty, a toy - but it's not any good for serious photography.

I've spent hours with such a set up shooting waterfowl on the water. Used an expensive tripod and great technique. Didn't get a single image worthy of keeping. On none of the images did I get a sharp eye, or feather details - something I regularly get with a good telephoto lens on my APS-C sized cameras.

So, because of the disappointing results, I sold my K to Q adapter and put the "red dot scope" back on my Browning BPS 12-gauge shotgun.

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I now use a gimbal and I don't use the red dot scope
I had been thinking of a gimbal prior to the Q-S1, so perhaps this should go on the list too. What brand/model did you choose? I also shoot, so I have a red dot sight on hand I can pull off one of my other toys, but you say you don't use it anymore. Any particular feelings good/bad about that setup? Do you have a favorite rail you'd recommend for mounting the sight on the Q-S!? I'm assuming someone makes a Weaver compatible mount.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Fenwoodian Quote
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A Q camera, adapter, red dot scope, and a telephoto lens are lots of fun to play with. This set up is a novelty, a toy - but it's not any good for serious photography.

I've spent hours with such a set up shooting waterfowl on the water. Used an expensive tripod and great technique. Didn't get a single image worthy of keeping. On none of the images did I get a sharp eye, or feather details - something I regularly get with a good telephoto lens on my APS-C sized cameras.

So, because of the disappointing results, I sold my K to Q adapter and put the "red dot scope" back on my Browning BPS 12-gauge shotgun.
If you demand absolute perfection, and have the $$$$, then a "Q" will seldom satisfy you. But my entire birding kit plus my K-30 kit, cost much much less than a 560mm. My birding kit is not a toy; here is a picture of an insect that was so tiny that with naked eye I could just barely detect it - in fact, my wife didn't know what I was talking about what I asked her - but the Sigma 70-30mm mounted on my Q-7 via the a Pentax adapter I got an entirely reasonable picture, more than enough to identify it.




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A Q camera, adapter, red dot scope, and a telephoto lens are lots of fun to play with. This set up is a novelty, a toy - but it's not any good for serious photography.
Thanks for your sanity input too. I may plunge down this path to check it out, satisfy some more GAS requirements, and also to have it for "the collection". Given I have the a6000 as a modern mirrorless, one could certainly argue I'm gong nowhere with the Q-S1 anyway, but the kid in me loves to play, and I've found the whole Q series very intriguing. Having expectations in line with reality is always a good thing, so if I grab this adapter (probably will), I won't expect it to outpeform my DFA 150-450 on the K3II. It strikes me like my Takumar 500. It's a neat lens, and I'm happy to have it, but the realiity is I when the Blue Angels came to town for commencement a few months ago, I grabbed the 150-450. So, I will do my best to keep my expectations in line with reality.

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Thanks for your sanity input too. I may plunge down this path to check it out, satisfy some more GAS requirements, and also to have it for "the collection". Given I have the a6000 as a modern mirrorless, one could certainly argue I'm gong nowhere with the Q-S1 anyway, but the kid in me loves to play, and I've found the whole Q series very intriguing. Having expectations in line with reality is always a good thing, so if I grab this adapter (probably will), I won't expect it to outpeform my DFA 150-450 on the K3II. It strikes me like my Takumar 500. It's a neat lens, and I'm happy to have it, but the realiity is I when the Blue Angels came to town for commencement a few months ago, I grabbed the 150-450. So, I will do my best to keep my expectations in line with reality.
Trying to photograph serious motion with the "Q" is probably a waste of time - manual focus is hard if the proper focus is continually changing.
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Don't buy the tripod foot from a US seller. They'll charge you like $90...Get it from eBay...

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I have a red dot sight on hand I can pull off one of my other toys, but you say you don't use it anymore. Any particular feelings good/bad about that setup?
I don't use "red dot" either. In days of film I learned to get general composition zoomed out and then zoom in for final focus and composition. That was easier in days of parafocal lenses, but I still do it today.

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Don't buy the tripod foot from a US seller. They'll charge you like $90...Get it from eBay...
Thanks for the pointer. I'm hoping based on the review her at PF that the foot from my 60-250 will work.
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I have one, I never use it. I bought it for use with the Q and my DA* 60-250 which is actually pretty nice set up.... and I bought the thing that attaches to the back of the Q to turn the back screen into a viewfinder, but, we just never use it.
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I have one, I never use it. I bought it for use with the Q and my DA* 60-250 which is actually pretty nice set up.... and I bought the thing that attaches to the back of the Q to turn the back screen into a viewfinder, but, we just never use it.
I find my Hoodman clone to be essential - only with it can I see well enough to focus.
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If you demand absolute perfection, and have the $$$$, then a "Q" will seldom satisfy you. But my entire birding kit plus my K-30 kit, cost much much less than a 560mm. My birding kit is not a toy; here is a picture of an insect that was so tiny that with naked eye I could just barely detect it - in fact, my wife didn't know what I was talking about what I asked her - but the Sigma 70-30mm mounted on my Q-7 via the a Pentax adapter I got an entirely reasonable picture, more than enough to identify it.

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One photographer's "reasonable picture" is another photographers' "not good enough" image. I guess that it all comes down to one's standards of acceptability.

A friend of mine showed me a photo that she was proud of. It was an empty field with a distant black blob. Well, it turns out the indistinguishable blob was a bear. She considered it to be a reasonable photo, to me, it was not good enough.

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QuoteOriginally posted by clickclick Quote
I had been thinking of a gimbal prior to the Q-S1, so perhaps this should go on the list too. What brand/model did you choose? I also shoot, so I have a red dot sight on hand I can pull off one of my other toys, but you say you don't use it anymore. Any particular feelings good/bad about that setup? Do you have a favorite rail you'd recommend for mounting the sight on the Q-S!? I'm assuming someone makes a Weaver compatible mount.
I have a Wimberley wh200 and appropriate plate but I have a 500mm lens on it..you may not need the fire power depending on what you use. I use the red dot for a while but found I could find what I was looking for without it and the birds seemed to notice it when I was using it and they flew away

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I agree the image quality with adapted telephotos on the Q is lower than that achievable with a high quality super telephoto on a larger format, but sometimes the latter option is simply not available.

Case in point: you're not allowed to take "real" cameras into Adelaide Oval. With the Q7 and 01 lens proudly hung over my shoulder and the DFA100WR and adaptor stashed discretely in a small bag I was able to get shots like this from halfway up in the grandstand.


Ashes day 3

Sure, it won't make the cover of Sports Illustrated, but you won't do much better without a press pass.
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A Q camera, adapter, red dot scope, and a telephoto lens are lots of fun to play with.
I've spent hours with such a set up shooting waterfowl on the water. Used an expensive tripod and great technique. Didn't get a single image worthy of keeping. On none of the images did I get a sharp eye, or feather details - something I regularly get with a good telephoto lens on my APS-C sized cameras.
Which "Q camera" and lens were you using?
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This set up is a novelty, a toy - but it's not any good for serious photography.
That's what they used to say about the Leica.
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So, because of the disappointing results, I sold my K to Q adapter and put the "red dot scope" back on my Browning BPS 12-gauge shotgun.
No wonder the birds won't let you get close. Their facial recognition can be pretty good, you know!
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