Wide angle iPhone vs Pentax Q?

2old4toys · 05-14-2021, 04:13 AM

I don’t have one of the fancy iPhones with the super wide angle lens. Do you think it will beat a Pentax Q with a fisheye or even the 08 in terms of image quality?

**pearsaab** · 05-14-2021, 05:03 AM

I have both. What are you looking to do with the picture? The picture quality of the iPhone 12 is awesome but the Q would kick it's butt if you want a real picture to print. If you want to post on facebook then you can get some amazing shots with both.

**UncleVanya** · 05-14-2021, 06:38 AM

I have the iPhone 11 with the two lens setup. The wide angle is fine in a pinch but is lower resolution than the main camera. It is also slower optically.

Here’s a pair of shots from yesterday:

Path by -vanya_42nd-

Wide shot: path by -vanya_42nd-

**caliscouser** · 05-14-2021, 03:08 PM - **2 Likes**

08 is an incredible lens. Corner to corner sharp, little to no aberration.
I'd be surprised if an iPhone could beat it.

The 03 fisheye is more about effect than pure image quality.

house · 05-14-2021, 03:13 PM - **2 Likes**

Phones still seem to handle detail way worse than proper cameras. Over all the images look nice though.

**caliscouser** · 05-14-2021, 03:26 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by UncleVanya

I have the iPhone 11 with the two lens setup. The wide angle is fine in a pinch but is lower resolution than the main camera. It is also slower optically.

Look like massive noise suppression combined with over sharpening and over saturation, just like my Samsung Galaxy.
Not sure if you can get RAW from the iPhone so maybe it would be better starting with that. I can't get RAW on my Samsung.

Q-S1 plus 08 blows it out of the water.

This is the Q-S1 plus 02, but I have this printed at 20 x 30 and it looks great. Tons of detail in the scaled up version.

shyrsio · 05-14-2021, 03:32 PM

The algorithmic photography of the latest iphone/android devices is amazing. granted what we are looking at is mostly fabricated bokeh and colors but aren't all camera companies heading that way. the problem is tha while professionals can spot them most people don't, and being instagram the main photo consumption manner they are really getting all the attention.

**UncleVanya** · 05-14-2021, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by caliscouser

Look like massive noise suppression combined with over sharpening and over saturation, just like my Samsung Galaxy.
Not sure if you can get RAW from the iPhone so maybe it would be better starting with that. I can't get RAW on my Samsung.

Q-S1 plus 08 blows it out of the water.

This is the Q-S1 plus 02, but I have this printed at 20 x 30 and it looks great. Tons of detail in the scaled up version.

I know on the pro versions raw is available. I will look. Some shots are good others are meh.

My moto z4 offered raw. Interestingly the sensor in that camera is 48mp but the files are I think 12mp since the use some type of binning. Even so it was only ok as the image processing was weak.

**DWS1** · 05-14-2021, 06:40 PM

If you're just posting on social media, you won't see much difference. If you're printing larger than 8 X 10, the Q hands down.

**caliscouser** · 05-14-2021, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

My moto z4 offered raw. Interestingly the sensor in that camera is 48mp but the files are I think 12mp since the use some type of binning. Even so it was only ok as the image processing was weak

Yeah, the Samsungs have that same 48Mp sensor. JPG's are garbage because of the image processing. I would be interested to know what the RAW's are like though.

**i_trax** · 05-14-2021, 07:21 PM - **1 Like**

I have both iPhone 11 and 12 and use them more and more often for ad hoc photos , one of them always in my pocket.
I still love the "Q" and MX-1.

**UncleVanya** · 05-14-2021, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by i_trax

I have both iPhone 11 and 12 and use them more and more often for ad hoc photos , one of them always in my pocket.
I still love the "Q" and MX-1.

My Panasonic LX-7 has roughly the same sensor as the Q7 and I love it.

2old4toys · 05-14-2021, 10:23 PM

Today at the shops I tried “ultra wide” end of the latest Samsung and Apple phones. The fields of view really are extremely wide! The edges of the frame are very stretched albeit linear vs fisheye. I don’t think any native Q lens is as wide as what these phones do.

**barondla** · 05-16-2021, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by 2old4toys

Today at the shops I tried “ultra wide” end of the latest Samsung and Apple phones. The fields of view really are extremely wide! The edges of the frame are very stretched albeit linear vs fisheye. I don’t think any native Q lens is as wide as what these phones do.

The phones are wider than the Q and 03 fisheye? There's always a theta. Obviously the Theta is wider than Q +08, but is the picture quality comparable?

Thanks,
barondla

**kwb** · 05-16-2021, 12:14 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by 2old4toys

I don’t have one of the fancy iPhones with the super wide angle lens. Do you think it will beat a Pentax Q with a fisheye or even the 08 in terms of image quality?

There are many examples on flickr.
iPhone (and other cellphones) with 13mm FF-equivalent FOV: Search: 1.54mm | Flickr
Q 08 (~18mm FF-equivalent FOV at the wide end on Q7): Flickr: The 08 WIDE ZOOM Pool
Q 03 (~15mm FF-equivalent FOV on Q7): Flickr: The Pentax Q 03 Fisheye Pool

As far as IQ goes, Q shots look much more pleasing than cellphone ultrawides to me though there are over-processed Q shots too. Sensor for ultra-wide iPhone cameras is tinier, at least for now, than already tiny Q series sensors. Crop factor of these is 13/1.54~8.4(!!) VS ~4.7 for Q7/Q-S1 and ~5.5 for Q.

However, if IQ were everything I won't be using Q7.

Wider FOV might be genuinely useful for some situations. If I have one of these phones (which I don't) I won't hesitate to use its ultra-wide thing whenever it's convenient. Convenience matters to me.

05-14-2021, 04:13 AM	#1
2old4toys Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 391	Wide angle iPhone vs Pentax Q? I don’t have one of the fancy iPhones with the super wide angle lens. Do you think it will beat a Pentax Q with a fisheye or even the 08 in terms of image quality?

05-14-2021, 03:26 PM - 3 Likes	#6
caliscouser Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,037	Originally posted by UncleVanya I have the iPhone 11 with the two lens setup. The wide angle is fine in a pinch but is lower resolution than the main camera. It is also slower optically. Look like massive noise suppression combined with over sharpening and over saturation, just like my Samsung Galaxy. Not sure if you can get RAW from the iPhone so maybe it would be better starting with that. I can't get RAW on my Samsung. Q-S1 plus 08 blows it out of the water. This is the Q-S1 plus 02, but I have this printed at 20 x 30 and it looks great. Tons of detail in the scaled up version. Last edited by caliscouser; 05-14-2021 at 03:33 PM.

05-14-2021, 07:21 PM - 1 Like	#11
i_trax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Perth Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,621	just convenience I have both iPhone 11 and 12 and use them more and more often for ad hoc photos , one of them always in my pocket. I still love the "Q" and MX-1.

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pearsaab Otis Memorial Pentaxian Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2011 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,900	I have both. What are you looking to do with the picture? The picture quality of the iPhone 12 is awesome but the Q would kick it's butt if you want a real picture to print. If you want to post on facebook then you can get some amazing shots with both.

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UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,445	I have the iPhone 11 with the two lens setup. The wide angle is fine in a pinch but is lower resolution than the main camera. It is also slower optically. Here’s a pair of shots from yesterday: Path by -vanya_42nd- Wide shot: path by -vanya_42nd-

05-14-2021, 03:08 PM - 2 Likes	#4
caliscouser Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,037	08 is an incredible lens. Corner to corner sharp, little to no aberration. I'd be surprised if an iPhone could beat it. The 03 fisheye is more about effect than pure image quality.

05-14-2021, 03:13 PM - 2 Likes	#5
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Phones still seem to handle detail way worse than proper cameras. Over all the images look nice though.

05-14-2021, 03:32 PM	#7
shyrsio Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Tirana Posts: 780	The algorithmic photography of the latest iphone/android devices is amazing. granted what we are looking at is mostly fabricated bokeh and colors but aren't all camera companies heading that way. the problem is tha while professionals can spot them most people don't, and being instagram the main photo consumption manner they are really getting all the attention.

05-14-2021, 04:55 PM	#8
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,445	Originally posted by caliscouser Look like massive noise suppression combined with over sharpening and over saturation, just like my Samsung Galaxy. Not sure if you can get RAW from the iPhone so maybe it would be better starting with that. I can't get RAW on my Samsung. Q-S1 plus 08 blows it out of the water. This is the Q-S1 plus 02, but I have this printed at 20 x 30 and it looks great. Tons of detail in the scaled up version. I know on the pro versions raw is available. I will look. Some shots are good others are meh. My moto z4 offered raw. Interestingly the sensor in that camera is 48mp but the files are I think 12mp since the use some type of binning. Even so it was only ok as the image processing was weak.

05-14-2021, 06:40 PM	#9
DWS1 Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 1,169	If you're just posting on social media, you won't see much difference. If you're printing larger than 8 X 10, the Q hands down.

05-14-2021, 07:01 PM	#10
caliscouser Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,037	Originally posted by UncleVanya My moto z4 offered raw. Interestingly the sensor in that camera is 48mp but the files are I think 12mp since the use some type of binning. Even so it was only ok as the image processing was weak Yeah, the Samsungs have that same 48Mp sensor. JPG's are garbage because of the image processing. I would be interested to know what the RAW's are like though.

05-14-2021, 07:44 PM	#12
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,445	Originally posted by i_trax I have both iPhone 11 and 12 and use them more and more often for ad hoc photos , one of them always in my pocket. I still love the "Q" and MX-1. My Panasonic LX-7 has roughly the same sensor as the Q7 and I love it.

05-14-2021, 10:23 PM	#13
2old4toys Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 391 Original Poster	Today at the shops I tried “ultra wide” end of the latest Samsung and Apple phones. The fields of view really are extremely wide! The edges of the frame are very stretched albeit linear vs fisheye. I don’t think any native Q lens is as wide as what these phones do.

05-16-2021, 07:18 AM	#14
barondla Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: midwest, United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,715	Originally posted by 2old4toys Today at the shops I tried “ultra wide” end of the latest Samsung and Apple phones. The fields of view really are extremely wide! The edges of the frame are very stretched albeit linear vs fisheye. I don’t think any native Q lens is as wide as what these phones do. The phones are wider than the Q and 03 fisheye? There's always a theta. Obviously the Theta is wider than Q +08, but is the picture quality comparable? Thanks, barondla

05-16-2021, 12:14 PM - 2 Likes	#15
kwb Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Pacific North West Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,224	Originally posted by 2old4toys I don’t have one of the fancy iPhones with the super wide angle lens. Do you think it will beat a Pentax Q with a fisheye or even the 08 in terms of image quality? There are many examples on flickr. iPhone (and other cellphones) with 13mm FF-equivalent FOV: Search: 1.54mm \| Flickr Q 08 (~18mm FF-equivalent FOV at the wide end on Q7): Flickr: The 08 WIDE ZOOM Pool Q 03 (~15mm FF-equivalent FOV on Q7): Flickr: The Pentax Q 03 Fisheye Pool As far as IQ goes, Q shots look much more pleasing than cellphone ultrawides to me though there are over-processed Q shots too. Sensor for ultra-wide iPhone cameras is tinier, at least for now, than already tiny Q series sensors. Crop factor of these is 13/1.54~8.4(!!) VS ~4.7 for Q7/Q-S1 and ~5.5 for Q. However, if IQ were everything I won't be using Q7. Wider FOV might be genuinely useful for some situations. If I have one of these phones (which I don't) I won't hesitate to use its ultra-wide thing whenever it's convenient. Convenience matters to me.