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EyeSpy · 07-03-2011, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Donkeypunch

http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

I have this but have never been able to print a pdf file. Saving as text creates gobbledygook.

EyeSpy · 07-03-2011, 10:08 AM

8 pm July 2nd?

I would like to know as I want to send your post to the media and complain. I won't use your ID/Name. It be cool if some of us/you old 70's hippie types did the same.
signed,
DAMN'm and SLAM'm

p.s. ... a small quibble: "we are not a police state"; huh, yes we are...ever hear of the b@ll_less PATRIOT ACT?

**rparmar** · 07-03-2011, 10:32 AM

Always be polite and non-confrontational. Ask for their names and badge numbers and write them down. This shows you are serious. Ask for which specific law you are breaking. If they can cite it, then move on, even though they might still be in the wrong. If they cannot cite it, thank them and continue with your activity. Wait for them to make the next move.

They have no right to touch your property or ask you to delete an image. To be non-confrontational you can delete and image and recover it later. Simply change SD cards after the delete operation.

If they lay a hand on you, call a lawyer.

**rparmar** · 07-03-2011, 10:33 AM

P.S. Of course you live in a police state. All states are police states by definition. They need to protect themselves from their citizenry, and use police in so-called peace-time and the military in so called wartime to perform this task.

stevbike · 07-03-2011, 12:44 PM

Here is an interesting article about Chicage police and photograghy.

Chicago Photographer Arrested Again – CPD on the Warpath

atupdate · 07-03-2011, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by EyeSpy

I have this but have never been able to print a pdf file. Saving as text creates gobbledygook.

If you can view it as a PDF, then you should be able to right click on the page and select print.

Tim

CWyatt · 07-03-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by psychdoc

This is bizarre. This was in a suburb of Chicago.

Were you on public or private property? Not sure about there, but that would make a major difference here.

Blue · 07-03-2011, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by CWyatt

Were you on public or private property? Not sure about there, but that would make a major difference here.

They were obviously open to the public.

Blue · 07-03-2011, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by stevbike

Here is an interesting article about Chicage police and photograghy.

Chicago Photographer Arrested Again – CPD on the Warpath

Chicago cops and politicians have been slapped constantly for violations of the bill of rights. The city has even been ordered to pay lawyers fees in other cases they lost in the U.S. Supreme Court and it had to be taken to Federal Court to get them to comply with the orders. They have a hard time with the Bill of Rights there.

sjwaldron · 07-03-2011, 03:00 PM

Yet another reason I don't like going to Chicago.

Parallax · 07-03-2011, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Blue

They have a hard time with the Bill of Rights there.

Ignoring the law and individual rights is as much a part of Chicago PD history as the playing of the National Anthem before a baseball game.
Telling the Chicago PD to play by the rules is as futile as telling an ass not to bray.

dexmus · 07-03-2011, 03:54 PM

I don't think it is confined to Chicago. There are stories like this every day from all over U.S., as well as other parts of the world. In my own country, infront of 50 other people, a policeman told a guy with a camera that if he pointed the camera at him again, he would put a bullet in the guy's head.

The problem is that 'looking suspicious' is enough for you to be questioned or removed from any premises. And we can't just blame the police. People are scared and governments continue to feed into the frenzy - orange alert...

If a 'vigilante' noticed a suspicious looking middle aged man, setting up his camera infront of a children's fair - he is going to report you.

CWyatt · 07-03-2011, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Blue

They were obviously open to the public.

Doesn't make a difference here - for example a cafe is open to the public, but they still have private property rights to stop you taking photos.

adr1an · 07-03-2011, 05:35 PM

I felt like this video was a worthy contribution to this thread. It shows "Community Interaction" from Police... Shot at the recent Isle of Man TT event, so yes, has a few motorbikes involved too...

But I guess shows really well there is multiple ways one can engage themselves with the Community...

You Tube

If only *all* cops were as a 'good bloke' as this one 'eh ?

Blue · 07-03-2011, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by CWyatt

Doesn't make a difference here - for example a cafe is open to the public, but they still have private property rights to stop you taking photos.

Actually, you are misguided there. 1st off, it wasn't the carnival that told him to stop, it was the johnny cops of Chicago.

2nd off, they let him in the gate with the dSLR and tripod. 3rd, we aren't talking about going onto private property that isn't open to the public. For example if a coffee shop asked me not to take a pic, I would take it under consideration, but if the got nasty, I would make an effort to advertise for them. What I am getting here is that private property that is open to the public doesn't automatically make people surrender their rights. Personally, I wouldn't have just got the cops badge number, I would have got his portrait and sent it to the local papers etc, and I would have done it in a nice way and give him my business card which isn't a photographer. Given iPhones etc, the whole idea is idiotic but then again we are talking about the Chicago PD.

Edit: I just realize you are in Australia so maybe cafe owners can bully folks.

Here we have a term called, "going out of business."

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07-03-2011, 10:00 AM	#16
EyeSpy Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Arizona Photos: Albums Posts: 663	Originally posted by Donkeypunch http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf I have this but have never been able to print a pdf file. Saving as text creates gobbledygook.

07-03-2011, 10:08 AM	#17
EyeSpy Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Arizona Photos: Albums Posts: 663	8 pm July 2nd? I would like to know as I want to send your post to the media and complain. I won't use your ID/Name. It be cool if some of us/you old 70's hippie types did the same. signed, DAMN'm and SLAM'm p.s. ... a small quibble: "we are not a police state"; huh, yes we are...ever hear of the b@ll_less PATRIOT ACT?

07-03-2011, 10:32 AM	#18
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,823	Always be polite and non-confrontational. Ask for their names and badge numbers and write them down. This shows you are serious. Ask for which specific law you are breaking. If they can cite it, then move on, even though they might still be in the wrong. If they cannot cite it, thank them and continue with your activity. Wait for them to make the next move. They have no right to touch your property or ask you to delete an image. To be non-confrontational you can delete and image and recover it later. Simply change SD cards after the delete operation. If they lay a hand on you, call a lawyer.

07-03-2011, 10:33 AM	#19
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,823	P.S. Of course you live in a police state. All states are police states by definition. They need to protect themselves from their citizenry, and use police in so-called peace-time and the military in so called wartime to perform this task.

07-03-2011, 12:44 PM	#20
stevbike Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Newbury, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 268	Here is an interesting article about Chicage police and photograghy. Chicago Photographer Arrested Again – CPD on the Warpath

07-03-2011, 01:33 PM	#21
atupdate Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dayton, OH Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,724	Originally posted by EyeSpy I have this but have never been able to print a pdf file. Saving as text creates gobbledygook. If you can view it as a PDF, then you should be able to right click on the page and select print. Tim

07-03-2011, 02:48 PM	#22
CWyatt Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,291	Originally posted by psychdoc This is bizarre. This was in a suburb of Chicago. Were you on public or private property? Not sure about there, but that would make a major difference here.

07-03-2011, 02:52 PM	#23
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by CWyatt Were you on public or private property? Not sure about there, but that would make a major difference here. They were obviously open to the public.

07-03-2011, 02:58 PM	#24
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by stevbike Here is an interesting article about Chicage police and photograghy. Chicago Photographer Arrested Again – CPD on the Warpath Chicago cops and politicians have been slapped constantly for violations of the bill of rights. The city has even been ordered to pay lawyers fees in other cases they lost in the U.S. Supreme Court and it had to be taken to Federal Court to get them to comply with the orders. They have a hard time with the Bill of Rights there.

07-03-2011, 03:00 PM	#25
sjwaldron Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,235	Yet another reason I don't like going to Chicago.

07-03-2011, 03:29 PM	#26
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by Blue They have a hard time with the Bill of Rights there. Ignoring the law and individual rights is as much a part of Chicago PD history as the playing of the National Anthem before a baseball game. Telling the Chicago PD to play by the rules is as futile as telling an ass not to bray.

07-03-2011, 03:54 PM	#27
dexmus Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 392	I don't think it is confined to Chicago. There are stories like this every day from all over U.S., as well as other parts of the world. In my own country, infront of 50 other people, a policeman told a guy with a camera that if he pointed the camera at him again, he would put a bullet in the guy's head. The problem is that 'looking suspicious' is enough for you to be questioned or removed from any premises. And we can't just blame the police. People are scared and governments continue to feed into the frenzy - orange alert... If a 'vigilante' noticed a suspicious looking middle aged man, setting up his camera infront of a children's fair - he is going to report you.

07-03-2011, 03:58 PM	#28
CWyatt Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,291	Originally posted by Blue They were obviously open to the public. Doesn't make a difference here - for example a cafe is open to the public, but they still have private property rights to stop you taking photos.

07-03-2011, 06:04 PM	#30
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by CWyatt Doesn't make a difference here - for example a cafe is open to the public, but they still have private property rights to stop you taking photos. Actually, you are misguided there. 1st off, it wasn't the carnival that told him to stop, it was the johnny cops of Chicago. 2nd off, they let him in the gate with the dSLR and tripod. 3rd, we aren't talking about going onto private property that isn't open to the public. For example if a coffee shop asked me not to take a pic, I would take it under consideration, but if the got nasty, I would make an effort to *advertise* for them. What I am getting here is that private property that is open to the public doesn't automatically make people surrender their rights. Personally, I wouldn't have just got the cops badge number, I would have got his portrait and sent it to the local papers etc, and I would have done it in a nice way and give him my business card which isn't a photographer. Given iPhones etc, the whole idea is idiotic but then again we are talking about the Chicago PD. Edit: I just realize you are in Australia so maybe cafe owners can bully folks. Here we have a term called, "going out of business."

COPS: Can't take pics of... Ferris Wheel!!!

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