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bdery · 11-16-2011, 05:53 AM

Her : You are trying to have professional pictures printed so you have to fill this form assuring us you hold the rights to these pictures.

Me : But they are MY pictures!

Her : Then take it as a compliment, and sign at the bottom...

bimjo · 11-16-2011, 08:38 AM - **1 Like**

Change the scenario just a bit- I take some of your photos in to get them printed and they don't make me sign a form...

Adam · 11-16-2011, 09:54 AM

Nice one!

riff · 11-16-2011, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by bdery

professional picture

WTF is a "professional picture". :LOL:
Perhaps I have the wrong opinion by my initial reaction is I don't want or need sales clerks enforcing or managing copyright.

JenniferLeigh · 11-16-2011, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by riff

WTF is a "professional picture". :LOL:
Perhaps I have the wrong opinion by my initial reaction is I don't want or need sales clerks enforcing or managing copyright.

I used to work at a photo lab many many years ago, we were told that the lab can get dinged with fines if they get caught duplicating copyrighted image. So it was the labs policy not to print "professional" photos unless it was accompanied with a signed document from the photographer stating that it was ok to duplicate or reprint.

eddie1960 · 11-16-2011, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by JenniferLeigh

I used to work at a photo lab many many years ago, we were told that the lab can get dinged with fines if they get caught duplicating copyrighted image. So it was the labs policy not to print "professional" photos unless it was accompanied with a signed document from the photographer stating that it was ok to duplicate or reprint.

Problem is how do they determine you didn't take the picture. Duplicating a Print that has a copyright stamped on the back i can see. But a Neg or a digital file they have no means of knowing who took it. (ok the metadata in a digital file could have copyright info in it, but i could also strip that out in as little time as it takes to blink)
As for the old print, i could scan that, clean it up and bring it in for a reprint from a digital file. same issue then.

alohadave · 11-16-2011, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Problem is how do they determine you didn't take the picture. Duplicating a Print that has a copyright stamped on the back i can see. But a Neg or a digital file they have no means of knowing who took it. (ok the metadata in a digital file could have copyright info in it, but i could also strip that out in as little time as it takes to blink)
As for the old print, i could scan that, clean it up and bring it in for a reprint from a digital file. same issue then.

They make you sign a waiver stating that you are the copyright holder or have permission to print the picture. If you misrepresent yourself, then you are on the hook, not them.

riff · 11-16-2011, 03:45 PM

My problem with all this is 1) what exactly is a "professional photo" and once that is defined 2) what qualifications does the clerk have to make that determination. 3) It implies that it's OK to steal non professional photos whatever they may be and 4) it assumes I am dishonest. 5) It's not the printers job to enforce or monitor copyright law.

Jodokast96 · 11-16-2011, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by riff

5) It's not the printers job to enforce or monitor copyright law.

Uh, yeah it is when we are the ones that will get fined (or in an employees case, most likely fired) for making and selling the copy.

bdery · 11-17-2011, 06:20 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bimjo

Change the scenario just a bit- I take some of your photos in to get them printed and they don't make me sign a form...

I was not complaining... I just thought it was funny, AND a compliment.

Originally posted by eddie1960

Problem is how do they determine you didn't take the picture.

If I sign the form, then they're not liable anymore. It,s a few seconds to protect their butts. I assume they had problems in the past, if they're asking for this.

riff · 11-17-2011, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Jodokast96

Uh, yeah it is when we are the ones that will get fined (or in an employees case, most likely fired) for making and selling the copy.

Ah cool. someone in the biz!

Perhaps you can tell me, are there regulations or legislation in place that stipulate you must do this, or is it strictly a CYA policy?

Jodokast96 · 11-17-2011, 08:14 PM

Not really in "the biz" quite like you think. But I do have to deal with this often, just today as a matter of fact when someone wanted us to copy some WWE material. There is no law requiring us to do anything, other than not copy trademarked or copyrighted material. How we choose to handle that is up to the company. We actually don't require a release (I wish we did), but it's usually fairly easy to tell the difference in our specific case. It's either snapshots, studio shots (of which we have pre-arranged releases for a number of the national studios), or cartoon, movie, etc. characters/logos. The characters and such are an obvious no. Studio shots, I tell them they need a release. Snapshots, we just take them at their word. Anything else I use my discretion.

bdery · 11-18-2011, 05:53 AM

for the record, I'm in Quebec, Canada, so laws are probably different here...

**dadipentak** · 11-18-2011, 06:50 AM

Humpf! So my lab has been dissing me by not requiring me to sign such a statement?

Mike Cash · 11-18-2011, 07:06 AM

Boy, I sure am glad we finally have a thread for discussing this!

11-16-2011, 05:53 AM	#1
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,363	"You'll have to sign this form" Her : You are trying to have professional pictures printed so you have to fill this form assuring us you hold the rights to these pictures. Me : But they are MY pictures! Her : Then take it as a compliment, and sign at the bottom...

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11-16-2011, 08:38 AM - 1 Like	#2
bimjo Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pasco, WA Posts: 967	Change the scenario just a bit- I take some of your photos in to get them printed and they don't make me sign a form...

11-16-2011, 09:54 AM	#3
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,608	Nice one!

11-16-2011, 10:50 AM	#4
riff Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,408	Originally posted by bdery professional picture WTF is a "professional picture". :LOL: Perhaps I have the wrong opinion by my initial reaction is I don't want or need sales clerks enforcing or managing copyright.

11-16-2011, 11:03 AM	#5
JenniferLeigh Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 281	Originally posted by riff WTF is a "professional picture". :LOL: Perhaps I have the wrong opinion by my initial reaction is I don't want or need sales clerks enforcing or managing copyright. I used to work at a photo lab many many years ago, we were told that the lab can get dinged with fines if they get caught duplicating copyrighted image. So it was the labs policy not to print "professional" photos unless it was accompanied with a signed document from the photographer stating that it was ok to duplicate or reprint.

11-16-2011, 11:43 AM	#6
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by JenniferLeigh I used to work at a photo lab many many years ago, we were told that the lab can get dinged with fines if they get caught duplicating copyrighted image. So it was the labs policy not to print "professional" photos unless it was accompanied with a signed document from the photographer stating that it was ok to duplicate or reprint. Problem is how do they determine you didn't take the picture. Duplicating a Print that has a copyright stamped on the back i can see. But a Neg or a digital file they have no means of knowing who took it. (ok the metadata in a digital file could have copyright info in it, but i could also strip that out in as little time as it takes to blink) As for the old print, i could scan that, clean it up and bring it in for a reprint from a digital file. same issue then.

11-16-2011, 02:53 PM	#7
alohadave Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Quincy, MA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,024	Originally posted by eddie1960 Problem is how do they determine you didn't take the picture. Duplicating a Print that has a copyright stamped on the back i can see. But a Neg or a digital file they have no means of knowing who took it. (ok the metadata in a digital file could have copyright info in it, but i could also strip that out in as little time as it takes to blink) As for the old print, i could scan that, clean it up and bring it in for a reprint from a digital file. same issue then. They make you sign a waiver stating that you are the copyright holder or have permission to print the picture. If you misrepresent yourself, then you are on the hook, not them.

11-16-2011, 03:45 PM	#8
riff Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,408	My problem with all this is 1) what exactly is a "professional photo" and once that is defined 2) what qualifications does the clerk have to make that determination. 3) It implies that it's OK to steal non professional photos whatever they may be and 4) it assumes I am dishonest. 5) It's not the printers job to enforce or monitor copyright law.

11-16-2011, 05:23 PM	#9
Jodokast96 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Erial, NJ USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,134	Originally posted by riff 5) It's not the printers job to enforce or monitor copyright law. Uh, yeah it is when we are the ones that will get fined (or in an employees case, most likely fired) for making and selling the copy.

11-17-2011, 06:20 AM - 1 Like	#10
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,363 Original Poster	Originally posted by bimjo Change the scenario just a bit- I take some of your photos in to get them printed and they don't make me sign a form... I was not complaining... I just thought it was funny, AND a compliment. Originally posted by eddie1960 Problem is how do they determine you didn't take the picture. If I sign the form, then they're not liable anymore. It,s a few seconds to protect their butts. I assume they had problems in the past, if they're asking for this.

11-17-2011, 07:45 AM	#11
riff Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,408	Originally posted by Jodokast96 Uh, yeah it is when we are the ones that will get fined (or in an employees case, most likely fired) for making and selling the copy. Ah cool. someone in the biz! Perhaps you can tell me, are there regulations or legislation in place that stipulate you must do this, or is it strictly a CYA policy?

11-17-2011, 08:14 PM	#12
Jodokast96 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Erial, NJ USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,134	Not really in "the biz" quite like you think. But I do have to deal with this often, just today as a matter of fact when someone wanted us to copy some WWE material. There is no law requiring us to do anything, other than not copy trademarked or copyrighted material. How we choose to handle that is up to the company. We actually don't require a release (I wish we did), but it's usually fairly easy to tell the difference in our specific case. It's either snapshots, studio shots (of which we have pre-arranged releases for a number of the national studios), or cartoon, movie, etc. characters/logos. The characters and such are an obvious no. Studio shots, I tell them they need a release. Snapshots, we just take them at their word. Anything else I use my discretion.

11-18-2011, 05:53 AM	#13
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,363 Original Poster	for the record, I'm in Quebec, Canada, so laws are probably different here...

11-18-2011, 06:50 AM	#14
dadipentak Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,590	Humpf! So my lab has been dissing me by not requiring me to sign such a statement?

11-18-2011, 07:06 AM	#15
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950	Boy, I sure am glad we finally have a thread for discussing this!

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