Win a Pentax Limited Lens: Raffle Now Live!

Raffwal · 03-29-2012, 12:34 PM

Over the last few years that I've been a Pentax user, the rumors and wishes of a FF Pentax release have resurfaced again and again every few months. And time after time the hopes have turned out to be unanswered. Now under the new Ricoh overlord, the FF rumors are again in their prime time. While there is little or no real data around, even many hard-core Pentaxians seem to be already discussing the Photokina 2012 announcement as a fact, comparing the alleged camera to the competition and such! Personally I'm fairly confident that there will be no Pentax FF this year. Or the next.

But let's see how seriously Pentaxians take the current rumors. A full frame Pentax camera (DSLR or mirrorless) announced or released in 2012: yay or nay?

Na Horuk · 03-29-2012, 12:45 PM

Considering the massive threads we already have on this subject.. a lot of people want a FF, a large portion of them have given up hope, some threaten to leave unless they get it; some people are against FF and want just a really high end crop sensor; but most people don't really care about FF vs APS-C, they have other priorities.
Do I think they will announce FF this year? About as likely as ever.

RonHendriks1966 · 03-29-2012, 12:58 PM

Thank you, finally a poll on this!

I'm still beleving in PhotoKina this september!

Adam · 03-29-2012, 01:09 PM

Wrong forum. My guess is that it won't be out until next year, though.

Adam
PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide | Site Help | My Photography)

PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

kenafein · 03-29-2012, 01:09 PM

I hope they do, but I think they will not. I am not likely to buy one if it does come out, but it would give more credibility to the brand and I'd really like to see my fellow PFers happy. Maybe in a few years one will filter down to me in the used market as a home for my 55/1.2.

Raffwal · 03-29-2012, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Adam

Wrong forum.

Sorry. I thought that News or rumors might be the wrong place, but couldn't figure where to put it.

einstrigger · 03-29-2012, 01:24 PM

I don't think they will either, but...

JohnBee · 03-29-2012, 01:26 PM

Nay.

I say Pentax needs to keep working on making the best APS-C camera's in the world.
Then once they've earned everyone's respect as the best of the best, they can use this to put the fear of Oden into their competitors when they announce they're going to enter the FF market.

Smolk · 03-29-2012, 01:58 PM

With developments now going really quickly in the prosumer cameras, waiting to long to jump into FF would probably make it too late. If a FF is coming, I expect it to be announced this year.

OTOH, the high end of APS-C must have some edge to keep going. The FUJI X-Pro1 sensor looks like beating them all; is it the sort of thing Pentax can do? Not so sure whether they have the technology to do that as it is apparently Fuji's specialty (the layer on the sensor). It is very interesting to hear D700 and M9 owners saying that the X-pro1's IQ is comparable. But it is a different sort of camera than a dslr, if Pentax can equal it with a K-5 successor, that would be tantalising. A fast 18-20mm would be nice, though, to complement the 31 and 55mm.

Wheatfield · 03-29-2012, 03:04 PM

Does anyone refer to Nikon as Mitsubishi/Nikon?
No, it is just Nikon.
So why do people insist on referring to Pentax as Hoya/Pentax, HoyaTax, and now Ricoh/Pentax?
Or am I missing something and these same people who refer to Pentax as Ricoh/Pentax also refer to Nikon as Mitsubishi/Nikon?

Smolk · 03-29-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Does anyone refer to Nikon as Mitsubishi/Nikon?

I interpret references to Pentax/Ricoh as a sign of a new beginning, hence hope, not something that is meant negatively, although I admit that's just one take on it. Another possibility is that Ricoh actually make cameras too, unlike Mitsubishi.

Pentax/Hoya, on the other hand, was a not entirely happy marriage. So the references made sense, but let's drop them, yes.

**monochrome** · 03-29-2012, 03:24 PM

There is a difference between a wholly-owned subsidiary and a distinct business unit owned by a Holding Company

Ricoh Establishes PENTAX RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD.

Mitsubishi does not "own" Nikon. All Mitsubishi group companies are separate and independent business units with separate funds.

Nikon Corporation

twitch · 03-29-2012, 03:39 PM

I think Pentax will announce a FF camera at Photokina with availability in early 2013. I think they’re working like crazy at the moment in the Pentax labs on a FF DSLR and a couple of FA zooms. If Photokina comes and goes with no FF announcement then I really do think it may never happen, there has never been a more imperative time for Pentax to make the FF move, to not do so now will prove suicide for them in the DSLR space.

joe.penn · 03-29-2012, 03:47 PM

Will Pentax/Ricoh bring a FF camera in 2012? ->

RioRico · 03-29-2012, 07:26 PM

Maybe the poll should be multi-choice:

* Yes
* No
* Who knows?
* Who cares?

I'll go with WHO KNOWS? because none of us has the slightest idea what P-R-I-C will do here, or when.

View Poll Results: Will a FF Pentax be released or announced in 2012?
Yes, a FF Pentax will be released or announced in 2012.	32	43.24%
No release or announcement.	42	56.76%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

03-29-2012, 12:34 PM	#1
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	Will Pentax/Ricoh bring a FF camera in 2012? Over the last few years that I've been a Pentax user, the rumors and wishes of a FF Pentax release have resurfaced again and again every few months. And time after time the hopes have turned out to be unanswered. Now under the new Ricoh overlord, the FF rumors are again in their prime time. While there is little or no real data around, even many hard-core Pentaxians seem to be already discussing the Photokina 2012 announcement as a fact, comparing the alleged camera to the competition and such! Personally I'm fairly confident that there will be no Pentax FF this year. Or the next. But let's see how seriously Pentaxians take the current rumors. A full frame Pentax camera (DSLR or mirrorless) announced or released in 2012: yay or nay?

03-29-2012, 01:26 PM	#8
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Nay. I say Pentax needs to keep working on making the best APS-C camera's in the world. Then once they've earned everyone's respect as the best of the best, they can use this to put the fear of Oden into their competitors when they announce they're going to enter the FF market. Last edited by JohnBee; 03-29-2012 at 09:01 PM.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
ImageFest 2012 Sponsored in part by Pentax Ricoh	bobell69	Pentax News and Rumors	7	04-16-2012 07:33 PM
Pentax Ricoh Imaging France SAS at CES 2012	solar1	Pentax News and Rumors	11	01-07-2012 03:56 PM
Ricoh to buy Pentax camera business from Hoya	ChrisN	Pentax News and Rumors	738	07-24-2011 11:24 AM
Pentax Lens Compatibility with Ricoh camera?	Chairman_Xi	Pentax SLR Lens Discussion	5	03-08-2011 07:56 PM

03-29-2012, 12:45 PM	#2
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Considering the massive threads we already have on this subject.. a lot of people want a FF, a large portion of them have given up hope, some threaten to leave unless they get it; some people are against FF and want just a really high end crop sensor; but most people don't really care about FF vs APS-C, they have other priorities. Do I think they will announce FF this year? About as likely as ever.

03-29-2012, 12:58 PM	#3
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Thank you, finally a poll on this! I'm still beleving in PhotoKina this september!

03-29-2012, 01:09 PM	#4
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,608	Wrong forum. My guess is that it won't be out until next year, though. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

03-29-2012, 01:09 PM	#5
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	I hope they do, but I think they will not. I am not likely to buy one if it does come out, but it would give more credibility to the brand and I'd really like to see my fellow PFers happy. Maybe in a few years one will filter down to me in the used market as a home for my 55/1.2.

03-29-2012, 01:13 PM	#6
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879 Original Poster	Originally posted by Adam Wrong forum. Sorry. I thought that News or rumors might be the wrong place, but couldn't figure where to put it.

03-29-2012, 01:24 PM	#7
einstrigger Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 728	I don't think they will either, but...

03-29-2012, 01:58 PM	#9
Smolk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Eerbeek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	With developments now going really quickly in the prosumer cameras, waiting to long to jump into FF would probably make it too late. If a FF is coming, I expect it to be announced this year. OTOH, the high end of APS-C must have some edge to keep going. The FUJI X-Pro1 sensor looks like beating them all; is it the sort of thing Pentax can do? Not so sure whether they have the technology to do that as it is apparently Fuji's specialty (the layer on the sensor). It is very interesting to hear D700 and M9 owners saying that the X-pro1's IQ is comparable. But it is a different sort of camera than a dslr, if Pentax can equal it with a K-5 successor, that would be tantalising. A fast 18-20mm would be nice, though, to complement the 31 and 55mm.

03-29-2012, 03:04 PM	#10
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,987	Does anyone refer to Nikon as Mitsubishi/Nikon? No, it is just Nikon. So why do people insist on referring to Pentax as Hoya/Pentax, HoyaTax, and now Ricoh/Pentax? Or am I missing something and these same people who refer to Pentax as Ricoh/Pentax also refer to Nikon as Mitsubishi/Nikon?

03-29-2012, 03:17 PM	#11
Smolk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Eerbeek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	Originally posted by Wheatfield Does anyone refer to Nikon as Mitsubishi/Nikon? I interpret references to Pentax/Ricoh as a sign of a new beginning, hence hope, not something that is meant negatively, although I admit that's just one take on it. Another possibility is that Ricoh actually make cameras too, unlike Mitsubishi. Pentax/Hoya, on the other hand, was a not entirely happy marriage. So the references made sense, but let's drop them, yes.

03-29-2012, 03:24 PM	#12
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	There is a difference between a wholly-owned subsidiary and a distinct business unit owned by a Holding Company Ricoh Establishes PENTAX RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD. Mitsubishi does not "own" Nikon. All Mitsubishi group companies are separate and independent business units with separate funds. Nikon Corporation

03-29-2012, 03:39 PM	#13
twitch Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,571	I think Pentax will announce a FF camera at Photokina with availability in early 2013. I think they’re working like crazy at the moment in the Pentax labs on a FF DSLR and a couple of FA zooms. If Photokina comes and goes with no FF announcement then I really do think it may never happen, there has never been a more imperative time for Pentax to make the FF move, to not do so now will prove suicide for them in the DSLR space.

03-29-2012, 03:47 PM	#14
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Will Pentax/Ricoh bring a FF camera in 2012? ->

03-29-2012, 07:26 PM	#15
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Maybe the poll should be multi-choice: * Yes * No * Who knows? * Who cares? I'll go with WHO KNOWS? because none of us has the slightest idea what P-R-I-C will do here, or when.