why people buy canikon

**RobA_Oz** · 06-06-2012, 02:07 PM

Frankly, I don't think most people buy Canons and Nikons because of absurd beliefs. I believe they do so (a man's got to believe in something) for a much more pedestrian reason: they're the brands they see in the shops, and the brands that salespeople push on them. Now, I don't want to start another argument that this can't be the case because there aren't any camera shops any more: I'm just saying that that's how most non-Pentax DSLR owners I know got their cameras.

On the other hand, you could say a lot of marketing is pretty absurd, but the brand owners clearly believe it works, so maybe there's something in this, after all...

**LaurenOE** · 06-06-2012, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by sjwaldron

As for the other aspect people feel they need to mention, take that to the other sub-forum for such things. I have that sub-forum blocked for a reason.

Sorry about that. I also have that forum blocked. I sometimes forget it's a hot topic.

kenafein · 06-06-2012, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Frankly, I don't think most people buy Canons and Nikons because of absurd beliefs. I believe they do so (a man's got to believe in something) for a much more pedestrian reason: they're the brands they see in the shops, and the brands that salespeople push on them. Now, I don't want to start another argument that this can't be the case because there aren't any camera shops any more: I'm just saying that that's how most non-Pentax DSLR owners I know got their cameras.

On the other hand, you could say a lot of marketing is pretty absurd, but the brand owners clearly believe it works, so maybe there's something in this, after all...

Aside from marketing, Canon also makes a reasonably good product. For many there isn't much reason to look further.

Bob from Aus · 06-06-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by LaurenOE

Religion is absent in my life.

But don't ignore your spirit

**Ash** · 06-06-2012, 02:51 PM

People also buy the big brands because they're available and hold a reputation. People won't worry much about ergonomics or cost if there's nothing else to compare it to. In many Australian outlets there just isn't any Pentax to try and compare with. (Definitely leave faith in God out of this discussion. Although related to herd influence/peer pressure, camera gear is different to spirituality. )

normhead · 06-06-2012, 02:52 PM

I have acquaintances that shoot both Nikon and Canon, both FF and APS-c. We don't spend anytime at all talking about which system is better. We look at images. Period.

Patajac · 06-06-2012, 10:39 PM

I would like to see a statistic on how many first time dSLR buyers go with Pentax. It must be a unique person to see past all the marketing and conformity. Also i would like to see a statistic on average IQ for users of different brands.

Bob from Aus · 06-06-2012, 10:51 PM

People who know cameras like my system when I hand it over. A 16 year old kid at a photoshoot remarked last week, my dad's camera is bigger. My reply That's nice. My back was saying stick to my nice light pentax lenses.

**RobA_Oz** · 06-06-2012, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by kenafein

Aside from marketing, Canon also makes a reasonably good product. For many there isn't much reason to look further.

There's no denying either of those points, but the initial purchase tends to arise from what people see. Pentax was most successful when it had high visibility in the marketplace, and the same went for other brands.

The other point is reputation: I don't believe (there's that word again) reputation counts for much in an initial purchase. What counts most is familiarity of the name, especially when committing to a comparatively large purchase (in general consumer terms) of a new type of device. Knowing a name has been around for a long time provides some comfort that what you're buying has some validity - I doubt if reputation in the sense of testimonial from professionals counts for much, because most consumers wouldn't know who they were.

The photographic market also seems to have dodged the association-marketing stream, so we have something to be thankful for. Brad Pitt may sell watches (what are the odds he knows anything much about what he's being paid to sell?) but the minute a celebrity appears in a camera advertisement we can be sure that glamour will have overtaken engineering in camera design.

Louicio · 06-07-2012, 12:49 AM - **1 Like**

I am a first time DSLR owner that went with Pentax =)

Originally posted by Patajac

I would like to see a statistic on how many first time dSLR buyers go with Pentax. It must be a unique person to see past all the marketing and conformity. Also i would like to see a statistic on average IQ for users of different brands.

Patajac · 06-07-2012, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Louicio

I am a first time DSLR owner that went with Pentax =)

same here

lpfonseca · 06-07-2012, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by LaurenOE

If you can conform, I say - go for it! It makes your life easier!

Indeed. I guess that like you I took the wrong (was it really?) pill. Going with the flow makes life easier but it's so much duller.

Originally posted by sjwaldron

Being in the Pentax group is just the same as being in one of the other camps. You are still conforming to a group in some fashion.

Not really, just like many Canikon users aren't conforming with a group. They choose according to their needs that happen to be similar to others. I choose my first DSLR (a K10D) after looking at what was available at the time. The K10D was comparable to the Nikon D80 but less expensive and with SR. And look at pros (the ones that shoot photography for a living). Like mtansley said,

Originally posted by mtansley

if I got to the point where I was shooting pro full time I would probably get a Canon or Nikon system just to make it simpler to rent new or replacement bodies and lenses if needed.

they need certain services and equipment availability to work so choosing a brand that provides that is natural. A photojournalist using a Pentax would have trouble replacing broken equipment during the job.

The video is about those who buy a camera (car, phone, clothes, etc) to be like their neighbors without thinking. And that represents a significant part of the market share.

A friend of mine has a Sony DSLR that she won and she believes that her photos would be better if she had a Caniikon just because she sees better photos from others that use Canikons. If everybody does one thing it must be the best thing to do. It is the same with religion, politics, economy, etc.

Regards,
Luis

lpfonseca · 06-07-2012, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by Patajac

same here

Me too. Damn, I'm feeling conformist. No, wait! My SLR was a Minolta. I feel better now.

**tcbubbleleo** · 06-07-2012, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Patajac

I would like to see a statistic on how many first time dSLR buyers go with Pentax. It must be a unique person to see past all the marketing and conformity. Also i would like to see a statistic on average IQ for users of different brands.

3 yrs ago it came down to a used Sony A700, and a good price new K-x. I chose latter and never looked back.

**klh** · 06-07-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Louicio

I am a first time DSLR owner that went with Pentax =)

Me too, but it's because I used a Pentax SLR for film and still have those K-mount lenses.

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06-06-2012, 02:07 PM	#16
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Frankly, I don't think most people buy Canons and Nikons because of absurd beliefs. I believe they do so (a man's got to believe in something) for a much more pedestrian reason: they're the brands they see in the shops, and the brands that salespeople push on them. Now, I don't want to start another argument that this can't be the case because there aren't any camera shops any more: I'm just saying that that's how most non-Pentax DSLR owners I know got their cameras. On the other hand, you could say a lot of marketing is pretty absurd, but the brand owners clearly believe it works, so maybe there's something in this, after all...

06-06-2012, 02:09 PM	#17
LaurenOE Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Back in Florida, but worldwide gigs! Photos: Albums Posts: 3,690	Originally posted by sjwaldron As for the other aspect people feel they need to mention, take that to the other sub-forum for such things. I have that sub-forum blocked for a reason. Sorry about that. I also have that forum blocked. I sometimes forget it's a hot topic.

06-06-2012, 02:21 PM	#18
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Frankly, I don't think most people buy Canons and Nikons because of absurd beliefs. I believe they do so (a man's got to believe in something) for a much more pedestrian reason: they're the brands they see in the shops, and the brands that salespeople push on them. Now, I don't want to start another argument that this can't be the case because there aren't any camera shops any more: I'm just saying that that's how most non-Pentax DSLR owners I know got their cameras. On the other hand, you could say a lot of marketing is pretty absurd, but the brand owners clearly believe it works, so maybe there's something in this, after all... Aside from marketing, Canon also makes a reasonably good product. For many there isn't much reason to look further.

06-06-2012, 02:26 PM	#19
Bob from Aus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,094	Originally posted by LaurenOE Religion is absent in my life. But don't ignore your spirit

06-06-2012, 02:51 PM	#20
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	People also buy the big brands because they're available and hold a reputation. People won't worry much about ergonomics or cost if there's nothing else to compare it to. In many Australian outlets there just isn't any Pentax to try and compare with. (Definitely leave faith in God out of this discussion. Although related to herd influence/peer pressure, camera gear is different to spirituality. )

06-06-2012, 02:52 PM	#21
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	I have acquaintances that shoot both Nikon and Canon, both FF and APS-c. We don't spend anytime at all talking about which system is better. We look at images. Period.

06-06-2012, 10:39 PM	#22
Patajac Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 241 Original Poster	I would like to see a statistic on how many first time dSLR buyers go with Pentax. It must be a unique person to see past all the marketing and conformity. Also i would like to see a statistic on average IQ for users of different brands.

06-06-2012, 10:51 PM	#23
Bob from Aus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,094	People who know cameras like my system when I hand it over. A 16 year old kid at a photoshoot remarked last week, my dad's camera is bigger. My reply That's nice. My back was saying stick to my nice light pentax lenses.

06-06-2012, 11:27 PM	#24
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by kenafein Aside from marketing, Canon also makes a reasonably good product. For many there isn't much reason to look further. There's no denying either of those points, but the initial purchase tends to arise from what people see. Pentax was most successful when it had high visibility in the marketplace, and the same went for other brands. The other point is reputation: I don't believe (there's that word again) reputation counts for much in an initial purchase. What counts most is familiarity of the name, especially when committing to a comparatively large purchase (in general consumer terms) of a new type of device. Knowing a name has been around for a long time provides some comfort that what you're buying has some validity - I doubt if reputation in the sense of testimonial from professionals counts for much, because most consumers wouldn't know who they were. The photographic market also seems to have dodged the association-marketing stream, so we have something to be thankful for. Brad Pitt may sell watches (what are the odds he knows anything much about what he's being paid to sell?) but the minute a celebrity appears in a camera advertisement we can be sure that glamour will have overtaken engineering in camera design.

06-07-2012, 12:49 AM - 1 Like	#25
Louicio Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Melbourne Posts: 432	I am a first time DSLR owner that went with Pentax =) Originally posted by Patajac I would like to see a statistic on how many first time dSLR buyers go with Pentax. It must be a unique person to see past all the marketing and conformity. Also i would like to see a statistic on average IQ for users of different brands.

06-07-2012, 01:06 AM	#26
Patajac Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 241 Original Poster	Originally posted by Louicio I am a first time DSLR owner that went with Pentax =) same here

06-07-2012, 02:50 AM	#27
lpfonseca Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lisbon Posts: 143	Originally posted by LaurenOE If you can conform, I say - go for it! It makes your life easier! Indeed. I guess that like you I took the wrong (was it really?) pill. Going with the flow makes life easier but it's so much duller. Originally posted by sjwaldron Being in the Pentax group is just the same as being in one of the other camps. You are still conforming to a group in some fashion. Not really, just like many Canikon users aren't conforming with a group. They choose according to their needs that happen to be similar to others. I choose my first DSLR (a K10D) after looking at what was available at the time. The K10D was comparable to the Nikon D80 but less expensive and with SR. And look at pros (the ones that shoot photography for a living). Like mtansley said, Originally posted by mtansley if I got to the point where I was shooting pro full time I would probably get a Canon or Nikon system just to make it simpler to rent new or replacement bodies and lenses if needed. they need certain services and equipment availability to work so choosing a brand that provides that is natural. A photojournalist using a Pentax would have trouble replacing broken equipment during the job. The video is about those who buy a camera (car, phone, clothes, etc) to be like their neighbors without thinking. And that represents a significant part of the market share. A friend of mine has a Sony DSLR that she won and she believes that her photos would be better if she had a Caniikon just because she sees better photos from others that use Canikons. If everybody does one thing it must be the best thing to do. It is the same with religion, politics, economy, etc. Regards, Luis

06-07-2012, 02:54 AM	#28
lpfonseca Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lisbon Posts: 143	Originally posted by Patajac same here Me too. Damn, I'm feeling conformist. No, wait! My SLR was a Minolta. I feel better now.

06-07-2012, 04:20 PM	#29
tcbubbleleo Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Temple City CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 726	Originally posted by Patajac I would like to see a statistic on how many first time dSLR buyers go with Pentax. It must be a unique person to see past all the marketing and conformity. Also i would like to see a statistic on average IQ for users of different brands. 3 yrs ago it came down to a used Sony A700, and a good price new K-x. I chose latter and never looked back.

06-07-2012, 05:03 PM	#30
klh Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2009 Location: West Lafayette, Indiana, USA Posts: 827	Originally posted by Louicio I am a first time DSLR owner that went with Pentax =) Me too, but it's because I used a Pentax SLR for film and still have those K-mount lenses.