Originally posted by Apapukas A few weeks ago I attended a photography conference/seminar. Some really good photographers were there, and one of them told these "common newbie mistakes" like avoiding wider angles, masking/blurring the background, crooked horizons, putting persons off to the sides too much. I believe there was more, but these are the main ones. When I returned home, I found these mistakes (maybe except crooked horizons) more of less in pretty much every photo.
But from the same photographer I heard one great quote which is very connected with what is said above : "First you have to grow a photographer, so afterwards you can kill it". What is mean by this, that first you have to learn the basics of classic photography, so afterwards you can brake these rules
with purpose.
Also, please share the common pro mistakes
Thank you for your comments on my pictures.
I also really love the second pic, almost fell in love with that girl after the shoot
As for the third one, I decided to leave some mystery, some space for imagination to make the composition a little more interesting.
Now talking about this glamour/weddings thing. I totally agree with what you said that it is more opportunity to start business with weddings than only portraits. So weddings looks kind of inevitable (don't want to sound like I don't like it!).
About these focus issues. At the very same conference I tested K-5IIs (kind of demo version) with Pentax DA* 55mm F1.4 and 50-135mm 2.8. In low light the focus was a little too disappointing, but it was only the demo version of the camera. Also.. why shoot low light? I believe in pretty much every situation you can find good and bad lighting. It's a matter of creativity and this "out of the box" thinking
I also have attended many of these workshops and seminars - and what I can tell you, after 3 world class photography conference - is that there are multiple experts and pros in each - and they all tell a different technique and list of mistakes. Very quickly you learn that there is no right way. Some even go right against each other - from one session to another!!
And thats one of the mistakes pro makes - a lot of times they refuse to learn and adapt. Photography is art. Sometimes. Its adaptable.
Another often pro mistake is to assume expertise in different types of photography. Some pros are clearly a pro in one type of photography - and that type alone. Sometimes their advice and critiques will lead people astray.
Now...open your typical glamour magazine. Browse through the pictures. These are pro pictures - with medium formats or high level cameras. They cut off heads, limbs, underexpose, put people to the side for text and other design elements, overexpose, and change skin colours. These are pros - they get paid thousands for the one picture in the magazine. Where is the rule here?
Like Norm just said - its attractive and hold's the viewer's attention. Thats all that matters. You can have small pros argue back and forth about how skin colour should be so or so or so...but honestly , as i am typing this i am staring at a a picture in Vogue Paris magazine, where a girl has her head and both her elbows cut off, posed in the middle, harsh shadows, red skin. Looks awesome.
I am not saying that you can come up with crap - and break all rules - I am just pointing out that none of these rules are drawn in stone. They were there for a reason - and when you know the reason, and your purpose for the picture was to defy the reason - then you have to break the rule.
Why should you shoot low light?
You should never shoot low light. You should always shoot with proper exposure, lol.
Here is an example :
I have a wedding next week.
7 bridesmaids, 7 groomsmen, 4 flower girls, 5.30PM with sun down at 6ish. I have 30 minutes to shoot 20 people and pose them. THEN, we go indoor. I have 10 minutes to shoot in the bar of the venue, the size of a living room, painted dark, mood lighting. No chance of moving strobes around. Flash on camera will produce a men-in-cave effect. 20 people squished together will cast shadow on each other. Bouncing is almost ineffective on a black wall.
For all intense and purposes...i am shooting low light. What do i do? Err...i am starting to panic - this doesnt sound very easy at all! LOL. Anyway. This is when i put my K5 as a backup, and rent an extra D800, and pray, lol. Oh. And even though the bride and groom says not to bother with the strobes - i have a feeling i am going to. LoL. I rather have 1 great image of them than 5 bad ones.
If you are going wedding, having a camera that easily focus in low light is a must.
Photography is a curious thing. I always take advice with a grain of salt.
- There are people who knows so much stuff about photography - and can't shoot to save their lives. They can tell you all the property of cameras, lenses, technology in and out. You have to listen to these people, and learn what you can. Take a quick peek at Light: Science and Magic from your local bookstore. Amazing book that shows amazing understanding about lighting...and the example pictures are...crappy. Highly recommended by the way.
- Then there are people who knows nothing about the technical stuff. They go around with kit lenses, take awesome pictures...things they see with their mind's eye. They can't take more than one type of pictures - their equipment is limited - and they have no knowledge of the other style they can take picture of. But the stuff they do take, is great. They wont publish a book, so you need to look at a lot of their work, and learn.
- Then there are pros who are businessmen. They are not very amazing - just adequate, but savvy businessmen. They go big, they make connections, and they educate their clients and you, on what is good photography. And then, after they have beat you to their levels - they are now, your superior experts. Watch out for them - learn what you can - but if you are not careful, your creativity will be snapped in half.
- Then , there are awesome photographers. You never heard of them - you never see their work - and they wont publish a book of their techniques. And when you see their work - all the small argument on who is better just goes out of the window - because their work - is good.
What a curious thing photography is : You can teach someone a technique - and if they are talented, the student can IMMEDIATELY become better than the teacher. Like, in an instant. The same technique you have used for years - your student can use it better immediately. Whats my incentive to teaching local photographers then? Never teach everything I know. Or, know that there is no way my students can pass the barriers to entry in the business, like cost of equipment, marketing, word of mouth. OR, draft the student to become a partner.
As a student - knowing this, you should always learn from multiple masters. Or, learn online. People are more generous. I emailed an awesome photographer in Germany once asking for her equipment - and purposely signed it with my name - in Canada. She replied, and first sentence was, Sure, I dont mind sharing - you are not in my immediate area.
By the way, take a look at :
tobias schult photography - people - beauty - fashion" Chris Crisman Photography
Finally....
I spoke to an awesome photoshopper once...world known, has rihanna in one of her port! And a few world brand make up. She told me - that at the end of the day - the rules you need to learn are still the ones used in paintings back several hundred years. Composition, colour, all that jazz. If you are ever confused about who is right about a specific rule - go back to the basics that no one can argue. You may not like the cubism work, or abstract, or whatever....but this is what she said - you may not like amazing art - but they are art nevertheless. You may also like crap - but they are crap nevertheless. You may never be able to sell art - but they are still art. You may be able to sell crap - and they'd still be crap. Now its up to you - do you want to sell crap - or art?
Originally posted by desertscape My equipment didn't make me a pro shooter, I did.
I also don't recommend giving a Chimpanzee a loader revolver.
:P I disagree with this - I bet you I can teach a Chimpanzee how to shoot with a loaded revolver faster than I can teach a talented marksman how to shoot with an empty gun.
Haha. I never said that the person didnt count - I was stressing that the only way the pro (talented person) got to where he was, was with lots of play with equipment. Then, can they easily discard their equipment. See my example about the piano. Of course, without talent, then its irrelevant whether its the gear or the person. You can throw gears and education at them, and nothing will change.
But have 2 total beginner with talent - give one a point and shoot, and the other one a point and shoot and a reflector - and you can already see where I am going
. Gear is what help talent gets to pro level. Once a person is a pro - when they are given point and shoot - guess what they are going to be looking for? Some blankets to diffuse and reflect.