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12-01-2012, 04:34 PM   #1
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feel like i can't post family photos anymore

Anyone who's paid attention to my photo stream or my shooting habits knows, I share a bond with my niece in photography. Not only does she practice with me and is coming along nicely in terms of skill level, but she also loves posing for me. She's nine (ten this month)

Well, I was going around flickr and noticed over the past two months on my stats page that one photo of her on a swing has become very popular suddenly. Today I stared to do more digging and found at least 10 photos of her are ranking quite high in view count. I thought maybe they were referrals from people who I've been giving my business card out too. But it seemed odd that my wedding photos and other shots were not gaining in popularity. I find that a lot of these photos are getting pinged from Asian markets.

I then went and tracked back to these pages. I'm horrified! They are blogs dedicated to viewing young women and little girls in a sexual nature. In fact one is called "Classroom where the are young Succubus." after googling Succubus I find out it's the daemon of seduction through intercourse. I'm absolutely mortified that most of the hits of my family portraits of my niece are getting hits from soft porn websites. It makes me so sick to my stomach.

I've turned around and set all the photos that feature my nieces as private now. And it's really disappointing because I loved sharing them with you all on PF.

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Ugh - sad, and disturbing. The internet is so very free, and I would hate to find a family member on such pages. Good for you with your tracking skills, but I wish your results had been more satisfying.
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The problem with flickr is that it makes your photos way too easy to find, as there are external feeds letting third-party applications search for photos- and unfortunately, there are definitely some creepy people out there!

What I suggest you do is use the album feature here on PF, marking the album as private. Then, when you go to post your photos, wrap the links in [ HIDE ] tags so that only registered users can see them.

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12-01-2012, 04:47 PM   #4
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The problem with flickr is that it makes your photos way too easy to find, as there are external feeds letting third-party applications search for photos- and unfortunately, there are definitely some creepy people out there!

What I suggest you do is use the album feature here on PF, marking the album as private. Then, when you go to post your photos, wrap the links in [ HIDE ] tags so that only registered users can see them.
thanks Adam. I will do that from here on in.

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It's the internet. Normal people, derelicts, people with unlike tastes, etc. all convene here. It's up to us to understand the risks. I've been on the internet (and precursors) since about 1993. It's not changed.
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Great tip!
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I'm glad you found out what's happening to your photos and managed to put a stop to it. Is this a problem with Flickr or are the other sharing sites like 500px also susceptible? I don't see any shots from 500px around the web like I do with Flickr but I'm not internet savvy enough to say.
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Creepy. Sorry to hear this.

I refuse to keep a Facebook account, and keep telling a relative of mine not to post any pictures of my family on her Facebook page -- she's the type of person who doesn't understand privacy and security, and will accept friend invitations from anyone. She claims she doesn't post pictures of my family, but I found out the other day (from another relative) that she's been less than truthful.

So sadly, I probably have to get a facebook account, just so I can friend her and "monitor" what is being posted, like you would have to do with your own teenager. She is 50 and should know better.

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If you're sharing simply with friends, try tagging the photos with exceedingly vague tags or simply don't tag them at all (after all, if you're simply sharing with family or here, we don't need tags), leave the titles default (ie, IMGxxxx.jpg), and mark the images as being full copyright.

The best option may just to be to simply mark all your photos as private - for family/friends on Flickr - then they simply won't exist to anyone not on your accepted list and only visible to registered flickr users who are added in as friend/family contacts.
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Creepy. Sorry to hear this.

I refuse to keep a Facebook account, and keep telling a relative of mine not to post any pictures of my family on her Facebook page -- she's the type of person who doesn't understand privacy and security, and will accept friend invitations from anyone. She claims she doesn't post pictures of my family, but I found out the other day (from another relative) that she's been less than truthful.

So sadly, I probably have to get a facebook account, just so I can friend her and "monitor" what is being posted, like you would have to do with your own teenager. She is 50 and should know better.
my cousin does the same thing. She went and posted a bunch of childhood photos. Her intentions were to make a photo history of the three of us (her, her brother, and I) growing up together as we all spent a lot of time together until everyone moved away from home in our 20s. I had to ask her multiple times to take them down as I wasn't comfortable sharing some (most) of her chosen photos with the internet world. End result was after a year I opened a ticket with Facebook and they took them down for me. Still it shouldn't have had to come to that, especially with family.

I always try and look for the good in people...and I try to trust that in general most people are good natured. But it shames me that my photos of my nieces are getting the attention, and the wrong kind of attention, while works that I feel are some of my best have almost no views. And it only bugs me on that level... it tells me that sick and perverted minds are either in more abundance than other artists and photographers... or that other photographers and artists are lazier and the perverts will spend countless hours trying to find a new image. I tend to think that we honest folk are just lazy...
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And it only bugs me on that level... it tells me that sick and perverted minds are either in more abundance than other artists and photographers... or that other photographers and artists are lazier and the perverts will spend countless hours trying to find a new image. I tend to think that we honest folk are just lazy...
I just went back in and doublechecked my own flickrstream. Theres a two/three step process that could help you.

Put all the family photos in their own set, then you can batch-edit the entire set and make the images within private except to friends and/or family. Private photos can't be viewed except by those you grant permission to, and those people would need a flickr account.
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Wired,

Hi! As you can see, I am less than a veteran member here. But, I would like to say that I'm very sorry to hear of your experience. The internet is a very interesting place. It brings out the things in people that only anonymity can. Very sad, but also an interesting perspective into what society is like "behind the curtain" as it were.

Anyway, yes, please take all "reasonable" precautions, with stress on REASONABLE. Something that has been on my mind recently is how unfortunate it is that, in the name of "being safe", we give up living how we really want to live. There is a point where we need to, I think, say, "let the creeps be creeps, and the normal folks be normal." I hate seeing society being "leveled down" because of the freaks out there (with the caveat that there is always at least some "freak" within ourselves that needs exorcising as well). A sad example is street photographers who are looked at as terrorist/pedophiles because they take photos in towns, cities, and of people: Minority Report stuff happening out there nowadays.
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Creeps!

Hi Wired,
Sorry to hear what happened, your post actually gave me the creeps.
I hope you take the suggested precautions, perhaps it will give you some peace of mind. I believe as experienced photographers (whether pro or not) we have to be extra careful, especially regarding photos of children.
Even if it infringes on our own concept of freedom, at times.
This situation is, apparently one of those times.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wired Quote
I always try and look for the good in people...and I try to trust that in general most people are good natured. But it shames me that my photos of my nieces are getting the attention, and the wrong kind of attention, while works that I feel are some of my best have almost no views. And it only bugs me on that level... it tells me that sick and perverted minds are either in more abundance than other artists and photographers... or that other photographers and artists are lazier and the perverts will spend countless hours trying to find a new image. I tend to think that we honest folk are just lazy...
Well, my most-viewed photo on Flickr has gotten six thousand hits in five years - and a shot of a busty blonde gets that in a day. That's the world we live in, I'm afraid. Sex sells everything from cars to shirts to toothpaste, because it's a shortcut around the thinking part of the brain. I don't know that the pervs are harder working - probably have a 'bot to do the searching for them.

Really sorry about your experience. I never thought about such things until I had a friend who was paranoid about pictures being taken of her daughter. Since then, when I shoot in public, I avoid shooting other people's children unless/even if I can 'anonymize' them. I've missed some darned good moments because of it...
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Sorry about that. Don't bother adding keyword tags. They'd have to purposefully fish your photo stream to get any more photos for their perverted business. Hope it works out and you can share your images publicly again without the fear of this nonsense.
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