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01-23-2013, 12:26 PM   #181
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What do you consider EVF... live view has been around for at least 7 years and it's still not capturing the advanced amateur category.
That is only because they were paired with tiny sensors. Non-SLR cameras with larger sensors only started appearing in the last 5 years and they captured enthusiast market even without EVFs - most models don't include a viewfinder. The viewfinder is not what most people bought DSLRs for - the size of the sensor and the jump in quality over the tiny P&S sensors were the attractive aspects. If you could have a Q with a FF sensor giving you the IQ of a D800, would you care much that it doesn't have a viewfinder, or would it become your most often used camera? The viewfinder is just an accessory - it just happens to be essential for DSLRs - they are built around it.

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they captured enthusiast market even without EVFs
I'm not sure they've 'captured' it yet. They've made significant advances.

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If you could have a Q with a FF sensor giving you the IQ of a D800, would you care much that it doesn't have a viewfinder, or would it become your most often used camera?
Most used? Maybe. Would I care that it didn't have a viewfinder? Absolutely. Viewfinders are almost-a-must for some wildlife photography.
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I'm not sure they've 'captured' it yet. They've made significant advances.
I did not say that "they captured the enthusiast market" - I just said that "they captured enthusiast market", which means they captured a chunk of it.
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Non-SLR cameras with larger sensors only started appearing in the last 5 years
Over the years (and also going back many decades) Hasselblad has made various wide angle cameras that are not slr's. It's essentially a very good optical viewfinder matched exactly to the lens of the Hasselblad.

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There's a new Epson EVF that matches the resolution of the best Sony.

The EVF/OVF battle continues in the comments below the announcement: Epson announces mass production of high-res electronic viewfinder LCD: Digital Photography Review
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There's a new Epson EVF that matches the resolution of the best Sony.
Sounds impressive:
Epson has said it is starting full production of its high-resolution SVGA LCD panel for use in electronic viewfinder cameras. The 1024 x 768 pixel screen sits alongside the company's existing 800 x 600 pixel display, as used in the Olympus OM-D and, we suspect, in Fujifilm's X100 and X-Pro1. The latest panel, unveiled at Photokina, offers the same 2.36m dot resolution as announced in the Fujifilm X100S. It'll be interesting to see how it compares to the Sony OLED display of the same resolution used in various Sony models and Fujifilm's X-E1.

The latest panel shares exactly the same outside dimensions as the 800 x 600 pixel (1.44m dot) version so, from a physical design perspective, could be slotted-in to the next-generation version of any camera that uses the existing display.


It does have a while to go in its development. OVF is innately of infinite resolution and of real time visualisation. Brightness and size of the OVF is improved on by format size, which makes a FF dSLR OVF closer to what an EVF can offer. EVF is definitely more advantageous for smaller formats, but the benefits become less important and/or insufficient to make up for current deficiencies over that of the OVF in larger formats, FF being the happy medium for cost benefit. The 645D OVF is simply brilliant, but it has a much smaller niche market.
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Would love to try it when it comes out. Again, I liked the resolution on the Sony A99 EVF. It's pretty good, and really cool with the focus peaking. Only issue is that panning is sort of the weakness. Also can look a little ugly when transitioning exposures.
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Exposure autoadjustment is obviously going to take more time than a simple light meter to react to lighting conditions, which is something a photographer will either tolerate or dislike, much the same as the 'WYSIWYG' projection (as much as it ins't exactly WYSIWYG, but it is closer to the result than what is seen through the OVF).

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