Where is Ricoh Pentax going?

Kunzite · 12-10-2014, 05:57 AM

I read totsmuyco's post differently, he's asking Pentax to keep being Pentax and warns against listening to the all over the place, conflicting requests we're making.

Clavius · 12-10-2014, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by Adam

At photokina they told me that they want to fill in the gaps left by the competition rather than trying to directly compete with every kind of product, which makes sense IMO.

What gaps are left? I know of whole lot of lenses that don't exist. (In modern variants.) Gaps enough to fill there. And enough gaps for all manufacturers. But cameras...

tvdtvdtvd · 12-10-2014, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I read totsmuyco's post differently, he's asking Pentax to keep being Pentax and warns against listening to the all over the place, conflicting requests we're making.

Just reread it, and I think I see what I missed... Fixed.

Originally posted by Pablom

Dear Pentax,
Please go ahead with your plans. Some of us like SLTs, some like MILC, some like DSLR and who knows what. Don't listen to us otherwise, ELSE you'll come out with a CUBE for a camera with nothing exciting in it. Why? Because you'll be dazed and confused with us.

One thing though, please come up with something nice that will totally SHOCK US! Thank you.

totsmuyco · 12-10-2014, 06:05 AM

Hahaha I totally agree with you.

---------- Post added 12-10-14 at 09:19 PM ----------

Originally posted by Kunzite

I read totsmuyco's post differently, he's asking Pentax to keep being Pentax and warns against listening to the all over the place, conflicting requests we're making.

Precisely if they do it otherwise. It won't be Pentax.

**k0og** · 12-10-2014, 06:23 AM

The LEAST Pentax/Ricoh can do is DE-CRIPPLE the K-Mount so our legacy lenses work as they used to on film cameras!

The thread (petition) is here...

-Joe-

totsmuyco · 12-10-2014, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I read totsmuyco's post differently, he's asking Pentax to keep being Pentax and warns against listening to the all over the place, conflicting requests we're making.

Precisely if they do it otherwise. It won't be Pentax.

**dadipentak** · 12-10-2014, 06:30 AM

Yeah, why can't Pentax make something like this?

JinDesu · 12-10-2014, 06:31 AM - **2 Likes**

Pentax is going towards a 70-200 and a ~140-~380 lens. That's where they are going.

ChristianRock · 12-10-2014, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

What gaps are left? I know of whole lot of lenses that don't exist. (In modern variants.) Gaps enough to fill there. And enough gaps for all manufacturers. But cameras...

The Theta is the future of Ricoh/Pentax!

But seriously, I don't know if I like that "fill the gaps" strategy. That's barely trying to survive as a company. I'm not sure I like the sound of it...

normhead · 12-10-2014, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by ikongraphics

I wonder if Pentax is a little bit adrift at the moment.

Sony is full of ideas, producing novel camera formats which perform..... and from what I read the new Nikon D750 is a camera achieving very high standards albeit in conventional full frame DSLR format. Pentax seem however to be stuck in something of a rut. The K3 is undoubtedly a great APS-C camera is the 645Z for those with the money, the technical ability and the need. We have all been waiting a very long time for a Pentax full frame in fact I think I am on the point of giving up hope. When are Pentax going to give us something like say the Sony A7? which is a great camera, super compact, high quality, full frame? Come on Ricoh Pentax it's Christmas.

It's unfortunate that your needs are more than Pentax is likely to meet. But, there are no brownie points for sticking with Pentax if your needs exceed their technology. It's a camera, not a wife. Just get what you need. Quit ragging on Pentax. It's not like anyone cares.

Even with a Pentax FF coming...
I don't need FF.
The wider DoF of APS-c on the same lens or equivalent lens, suits my style more.
The ability to get the equivalence of 400mm on FF out of my DA*60-250 on APS_c is a functionality I would find impossible to give up, both in terms of cost and weight.
The ability to get the equivalence of 51MP on my macros is just really nice, since at present there are no 51 MP FF cameras.

If you shoot a lot for narrow DoF or in very low light, you shouldn't be with Pentax. Other systems have more to offer. And that will be true even after Pentax releases their FF.

Clavius · 12-10-2014, 07:10 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Pablom

Never. There is already an A7, so why make another? If I'd want an A7 I'd get one, what's the difference if it is labeled Ricoh or Sony?.

You mention Nikon as an exaple but I don't see how they are any different then Pentax in that they stick to their ground and improve in time.

There are also already FF DSLRs out there. Almost 30 different models spread over various brands on the new and used market. If Pentax shouldn't make a Pentax A7 because it already exists, then they sure as hell shouldn't make an FF DSLR.

They could still make a digital TLR?! ☺

Pablom · 12-10-2014, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

There are also already FF DSLRs out there. Almost 30 different models spread over various brands on the new and used market. If Pentax shouldn't make a Pentax A7 because it already exists, then they sure as hell shouldn't make an FF DSLR.

They could still make a digital TLR?! ☺

The A7 is an existing product. specifically mentioned by the OP. If Pentax were to make something similar it wouldn't have any advantage over anyone else making it because it will not be natively compatible with existing lenses.
The reason many want a Pentax FF is because of the K mount and if Sony or Kyocera make it, although unlikely, it will have the same consumer appeal.

**monochrome** · 12-10-2014, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Dave's clichés;3067907]Sony have enormous financial clout as well as cutting edge technology, but it's real asset is a "desire" to improve and push the envelope. it's taken a while for the technologies to come together, so the route has been changing from transparent mirrors to different lens mounts and formats, which has left us all reeling as a plethora of models came out. Samsung are heading down the same route, high money, high tech, high desire, huge technological leaps. Fuji and Olympus are pushing hard on their front.
Ah Pentax, dear Pentax, well it's more traditional here, small desire, small money and small incremental improvements, but a huge range of colours!

. . . . and Irony.

JimmyDranox · 12-10-2014, 07:59 AM - **1 Like**

Ricoh, beware, if you keep us wondering where you are going, will be not long before you will be asking where all this devoted Pentax users had gone!!!

**hjoseph7** · 12-10-2014, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by Dave's clichés

Sony have enormous financial clout as well as cutting edge technology, but it's real asset is a "desire" to improve and push the envelope. it's taken a while for the technologies to come together, so the route has been changing from transparent mirrors to different lens mounts and formats, which has left us all reeling as a plethora of models came out. Samsung are heading down the same route, high money, high tech, high desire, huge technological leaps. Fuji and Olympus are pushing hard on their front.
Ah Pentax, dear Pentax, well it's more traditional here, small desire, small money and small incremental improvements, but a huge range of colours!

Sony is throwing billions into their Research and Development departments, basically throwing wet tissue paper at a wall hoping that something sticks. Their bread and butter is TV's and DVR's but that has not been going to well lately. Their approach though innovative seems a bit unstable.

12-10-2014, 06:05 AM	#18
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by Kunzite I read totsmuyco's post differently, he's asking Pentax to keep being Pentax and warns against listening to the all over the place, conflicting requests we're making. Just reread it, and I think I see what I missed... Fixed. Originally posted by Pablom Dear Pentax, Please go ahead with your plans. Some of us like SLTs, some like MILC, some like DSLR and who knows what. Don't listen to us otherwise, ELSE you'll come out with a CUBE for a camera with nothing exciting in it. Why? Because you'll be dazed and confused with us. One thing though, please come up with something nice that will totally SHOCK US! Thank you. Last edited by tvdtvdtvd; 12-10-2014 at 06:11 AM.

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Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I read totsmuyco's post differently, he's asking Pentax to keep being Pentax and warns against listening to the all over the place, conflicting requests we're making.

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Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Adam At photokina they told me that they want to fill in the gaps left by the competition rather than trying to directly compete with every kind of product, which makes sense IMO. What gaps are left? I know of whole lot of lenses that don't exist. (In modern variants.) Gaps enough to fill there. And enough gaps for all manufacturers. But cameras...

12-10-2014, 06:05 AM	#19
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Hahaha I totally agree with you. ---------- Post added 12-10-14 at 09:19 PM ---------- Originally posted by Kunzite I read totsmuyco's post differently, he's asking Pentax to keep being Pentax and warns against listening to the all over the place, conflicting requests we're making. Precisely if they do it otherwise. It won't be Pentax.

12-10-2014, 06:23 AM	#20
k0og Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Rolla, Missouri Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 699	The LEAST Pentax/Ricoh can do is DE-CRIPPLE the K-Mount so our legacy lenses work as they used to on film cameras! The thread (petition) is here... -Joe-

12-10-2014, 06:24 AM	#21
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Originally posted by Kunzite I read totsmuyco's post differently, he's asking Pentax to keep being Pentax and warns against listening to the all over the place, conflicting requests we're making. Precisely if they do it otherwise. It won't be Pentax.

12-10-2014, 06:30 AM	#22
dadipentak Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,590	Yeah, why can't Pentax make something like this?

12-10-2014, 06:31 AM - 2 Likes	#23
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Pentax is going towards a 70-200 and a ~140-~380 lens. That's where they are going.

12-10-2014, 06:59 AM	#24
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by Clavius What gaps are left? I know of whole lot of lenses that don't exist. (In modern variants.) Gaps enough to fill there. And enough gaps for all manufacturers. But cameras... The Theta is the future of Ricoh/Pentax! But seriously, I don't know if I like that "fill the gaps" strategy. That's barely trying to survive as a company. I'm not sure I like the sound of it...

12-10-2014, 07:03 AM	#25
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by ikongraphics I wonder if Pentax is a little bit adrift at the moment. Sony is full of ideas, producing novel camera formats which perform..... and from what I read the new Nikon D750 is a camera achieving very high standards albeit in conventional full frame DSLR format. Pentax seem however to be stuck in something of a rut. The K3 is undoubtedly a great APS-C camera is the 645Z for those with the money, the technical ability and the need. We have all been waiting a very long time for a Pentax full frame in fact I think I am on the point of giving up hope. When are Pentax going to give us something like say the Sony A7? which is a great camera, super compact, high quality, full frame? Come on Ricoh Pentax it's Christmas. It's unfortunate that your needs are more than Pentax is likely to meet. But, there are no brownie points for sticking with Pentax if your needs exceed their technology. It's a camera, not a wife. Just get what you need. Quit ragging on Pentax. It's not like anyone cares. Even with a Pentax FF coming... I don't need FF. The wider DoF of APS-c on the same lens or equivalent lens, suits my style more. The ability to get the equivalence of 400mm on FF out of my DA*60-250 on APS_c is a functionality I would find impossible to give up, both in terms of cost and weight. The ability to get the equivalence of 51MP on my macros is just really nice, since at present there are no 51 MP FF cameras. If you shoot a lot for narrow DoF or in very low light, you shouldn't be with Pentax. Other systems have more to offer. And that will be true even after Pentax releases their FF.

12-10-2014, 07:10 AM - 1 Like	#26
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Pablom Never. There is already an A7, so why make another? If I'd want an A7 I'd get one, what's the difference if it is labeled Ricoh or Sony?. You mention Nikon as an exaple but I don't see how they are any different then Pentax in that they stick to their ground and improve in time. There are also already FF DSLRs out there. Almost 30 different models spread over various brands on the new and used market. If Pentax shouldn't make a Pentax A7 because it already exists, then they sure as hell shouldn't make an FF DSLR. They could still make a digital TLR?! ☺

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12-10-2014, 07:52 AM	#27
Pablom Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Usa Posts: 1,940	Originally posted by Clavius There are also already FF DSLRs out there. Almost 30 different models spread over various brands on the new and used market. If Pentax shouldn't make a Pentax A7 because it already exists, then they sure as hell shouldn't make an FF DSLR. They could still make a digital TLR?! ☺ The A7 is an existing product. specifically mentioned by the OP. If Pentax were to make something similar it wouldn't have any advantage over anyone else making it because it will not be natively compatible with existing lenses. The reason many want a Pentax FF is because of the K mount and if Sony or Kyocera make it, although unlikely, it will have the same consumer appeal.

12-10-2014, 07:54 AM	#28
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Quote: Dave's clichés;3067907]Sony have enormous financial clout as well as cutting edge technology, but it's real asset is a "desire" to improve and push the envelope. it's taken a while for the technologies to come together, so the route has been changing from transparent mirrors to different lens mounts and formats, which has left us all reeling as a plethora of models came out. Samsung are heading down the same route, high money, high tech, high desire, huge technological leaps. Fuji and Olympus are pushing hard on their front. Ah Pentax, dear Pentax, well it's more traditional here, small desire, small money and small incremental improvements, but a huge range of colours! . . . . and Irony.

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JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	Ricoh, beware, if you keep us wondering where you are going, will be not long before you will be asking where all this devoted Pentax users had gone!!!

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hjoseph7 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2014 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,046	Originally posted by Dave's clichés Sony have enormous financial clout as well as cutting edge technology, but it's real asset is a "desire" to improve and push the envelope. it's taken a while for the technologies to come together, so the route has been changing from transparent mirrors to different lens mounts and formats, which has left us all reeling as a plethora of models came out. Samsung are heading down the same route, high money, high tech, high desire, huge technological leaps. Fuji and Olympus are pushing hard on their front. Ah Pentax, dear Pentax, well it's more traditional here, small desire, small money and small incremental improvements, but a huge range of colours! Sony is throwing billions into their Research and Development departments, basically throwing wet tissue paper at a wall hoping that something sticks. Their bread and butter is TV's and DVR's but that has not been going to well lately. Their approach though innovative seems a bit unstable.