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thibs · 08-25-2016, 01:59 PM

What Reed wrote. Exactly.
They might recycle the 55 but it has a long focus throw as it was design as a portrait lens, and not that sharp wide open, again perfect as a portrait lens.
SDM on top and you have a problem (as a normal lens).

At minimum, quick AF and WR/AW.

**pres589** · 08-25-2016, 02:09 PM

Hmm, ok, points taken. A nice, modern, fast 50 with solid image quality would be pretty important now that there's a hot new FF camera to put it on. Maybe the most bang for the buck would be to revise the 55 first? But then again the DFA 50 2.8 is also in that space...

Reed · 08-25-2016, 02:28 PM

If D-FA 50 macro gets build quality update-like the "unlimited" 100WR got updated from D FA 100 macro- I will be first to buy it. But its not fast enough to replace FA50, and definetly no better in terms of AF speed, with its preety useless "clamp" mode, focus limiter would be way better(like older FA macros used to be,or tammy 90/2.8).

mee · 08-25-2016, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Reed

If D-FA 50 macro gets build quality update-like the "unlimited" 100WR got updated from D FA 100 macro- I will be first to buy it. But its not fast enough to replace FA50, and definetly no better in terms of AF speed, with its preety useless "clamp" mode, focus limiter would be way better(like older FA macros used to be,or tammy 90/2.8).

Wonder why they became scarce? This would also help telephoto zooms too.. it would be an asset to have a focus limiter on any lens over 50mm imo.

Barry Pearson · 08-25-2016, 11:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mee

Wonder why they became scarce? This would also help telephoto zooms too.. it would be an asset to have a focus limiter on any lens over 50mm imo.

I too would like a focus-limiter on the D FA 100mm WR f/2.8 Macro.

But I use the D FA* 70-200mm and D FA 150-450mm lenses a lot on the K-1. They have limiters, and I use them. But - I suspect I wouldn't have many problems even without limiters. They simply never appear to do the sort of end-to-end hunting that limiters are intended to stop. (Perhaps that is because I'm shooting towards the infinity end, not towards the close end).

Reed · 08-26-2016, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

I too would like a focus-limiter on the D FA 100mm WR f/2.8 Macro.

But I use the D FA* 70-200mm and D FA 150-450mm lenses a lot on the K-1. They have limiters, and I use them. But - I suspect I wouldn't have many problems even without limiters. They simply never appear to do the sort of end-to-end hunting that limiters are intended to stop. (Perhaps that is because I'm shooting towards the infinity end, not towards the close end).

Yeah, but zooms have almost always quite short throw, when macro scale-it takes around 1/3rd or even half of the whole focusing range, if you can limit that range-it gives you at least half the time to get things in focus. In some cases it matters.
I've tried 100WR vs tammy 90 with limiter engaged-even with slower speed torque AF, it got from limited 1,5 meter to infinity faster than 100WR got even out from macro range.Of course it was just for fun test, but I would like that feature to return to every macro lens they will release, and build quality to improve- DFA50&100 are in almost DAL kit lenses quality build, or even worse in my opinion(I had the DFA 50, it started to get barrel wobble after few weeks of use-sold it).

thibs · 08-26-2016, 02:13 AM

Focus limiters are useful for macro stuff, they are essential for regular stuff with macro lens.

marmaduke · 08-27-2016, 12:24 PM

is anything in the pipe for photokina?

mee · 08-27-2016, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

I too would like a focus-limiter on the D FA 100mm WR f/2.8 Macro.

But I use the D FA* 70-200mm and D FA 150-450mm lenses a lot on the K-1. They have limiters, and I use them. But - I suspect I wouldn't have many problems even without limiters. They simply never appear to do the sort of end-to-end hunting that limiters are intended to stop. (Perhaps that is because I'm shooting towards the infinity end, not towards the close end).

My most desired lens to get a focus limiter is the 55-300mm HD as I find it can hunt like a dog sometimes. And when it does hunt, it goes to closest focus all the way back to infinity, even if it needs to only go a smidgen towards infinity.

reh321 · 08-27-2016, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by marmaduke

is anything in the pipe for photokina?

Only Pentax knows.
Our first "leaks" about the K-70 occurred just a few days before the official announcement.
{roughly a month earlier, a sharp-eyed member had noticed registration with a Korean agency for WiFi, but name and WiFi are all we knew until the last few days}.

totsmuyco · 08-27-2016, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by mee

My most desired lens to get a focus limiter is the 55-300mm HD as I find it can hunt like a dog sometimes. And when it does hunt, it goes to closest focus all the way back to infinity, even if it needs to only go a smidgen towards infinity.

I have a HD 55-300 WR and the results don't excite me now as I continue to use it. It isn't that good on the long end and yes, the AF isn't that good too. I would really like to have an upgrade of the DA* 60-250. Probably with a better AF motor and extended to 300 instead of 250. I would also like to see new or upgrade of other APSC lenses. I believe not everyone will go to FF. Of course, the mechanical lever should be there too.

mee · 08-27-2016, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

I have a HD 55-300 WR and the results don't excite me now as I continue to use it. It isn't that good on the long end and yes, the AF isn't that good too. I would really like to have an upgrade of the DA* 60-250. Probably with a better AF motor and extended to 300 instead of 250. I would also like to see new or upgrade of other APSC lenses. I believe not everyone will go to FF. Of course, the mechanical lever should be there too.

I find it is pretty sharp stopped down... but the real appeal, for me, with this lens is the large focal range in a relatively small and lightweight package. It is fantastic for walkaround shooting... where you know you'll be out for hours. Just needs a limiter. I am looking forward to the reviews of the PLM variant. Hopefully it functions a little better.

The 60-250 f/4 is optically better and faster across the board, but it is also larger and heavier... hmmm if they do update, I'd hope they'd make it a DFA f/4 at least.

I'm one of those sticking with APS-C for the near future.. unless I run into a windfall of cash or Pentax has a freak firesale on the K-1 and assorted FF lenses haha. But, the more I think about it, APS-C is a pretty sweet spot between IQ, price, and weight.

Really, it doesn't seem to be in the pipeline anytime, but I think the crop system needs some refreshing on their stable DA* lenses (16-50, 50-135, 60-250). A frustrating aspect of the camera brand being a relatively small player is there seems to be a very narrow flow of releases.

Barry Pearson · 08-27-2016, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by mee

The 60-250 f/4 is optically better and faster across the board, but it is also larger and heavier... hmmm if they do update, I'd hope they'd make it a DFA f/4 at least.

I would pre-order a D FA 60-250mm f/4, with at least the same image quality as the current version, right now!

asahi man · 08-27-2016, 11:40 PM

Than take the new zoom with complete new AF.
Fast,no hunting like an unarmed hunter without eyes,complete new autofocus logic.
Same difference to the old Pentax lenses like it is between DA*300 and 150-450.
Try it and buy it

I liked this lens at the K-1 and I know all Pentax lenses very,very good in questions of autofocus and optical quality

Best regards

Nicolas06 · 08-27-2016, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

I have a HD 55-300 WR and the results don't excite me now as I continue to use it. It isn't that good on the long end and yes, the AF isn't that good too. I would really like to have an upgrade of the DA* 60-250. Probably with a better AF motor and extended to 300 instead of 250. I would also like to see new or upgrade of other APSC lenses. I believe not everyone will go to FF. Of course, the mechanical lever should be there too.

The 55-300 is a consumer tele with 5.5 zoom ratio. It quite sharp at 190, rougly until it keep f/4.5. At 300mm, closed down it is acceptable. But you have to factor the price, the size and finish. i don't think there a lens here that much better for the compromize. If you want the lens at 300mm that's DA*300 or DFA150-450.

The problem is 60-250 is much more expensive an heavier/bigger. Only APSC if you don't mod it and it is 250mm only at inifite making it in many occasion no better for reach than a 70-200. A DFA60-250 would be bigger to keep the quality on the border but as I understand, the latest patents are for a 100-300 f/4. Make sense it would be more different than the DFA70-200.

08-27-2016, 06:02 PM	#281
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Originally posted by mee My most desired lens to get a focus limiter is the 55-300mm HD as I find it can hunt like a dog sometimes. And when it does hunt, it goes to closest focus all the way back to infinity, even if it needs to only go a smidgen towards infinity. I have a HD 55-300 WR and the results don't excite me now as I continue to use it. It isn't that good on the long end and yes, the AF isn't that good too. I would really like to have an upgrade of the DA* 60-250. Probably with a better AF motor and extended to 300 instead of 250. I would also like to see new or upgrade of other APSC lenses. I believe not everyone will go to FF. Of course, the mechanical lever should be there too. Last edited by totsmuyco; 08-27-2016 at 06:04 PM. Reason: Added to the message

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08-25-2016, 01:59 PM	#271
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	What Reed wrote. Exactly. They might recycle the 55 but it has a long focus throw as it was design as a portrait lens, and not that sharp wide open, again perfect as a portrait lens. SDM on top and you have a problem (as a normal lens). At minimum, quick AF and WR/AW.

08-25-2016, 02:09 PM	#272
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Hmm, ok, points taken. A nice, modern, fast 50 with solid image quality would be pretty important now that there's a hot new FF camera to put it on. Maybe the most bang for the buck would be to revise the 55 first? But then again the DFA 50 2.8 is also in that space...

08-25-2016, 02:28 PM	#273
Reed Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Warsaw Photos: Gallery Posts: 638	If D-FA 50 macro gets build quality update-like the "unlimited" 100WR got updated from D FA 100 macro- I will be first to buy it. But its not fast enough to replace FA50, and definetly no better in terms of AF speed, with its preety useless "clamp" mode, focus limiter would be way better(like older FA macros used to be,or tammy 90/2.8).

08-25-2016, 02:49 PM	#274
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Reed If D-FA 50 macro gets build quality update-like the "unlimited" 100WR got updated from D FA 100 macro- I will be first to buy it. But its not fast enough to replace FA50, and definetly no better in terms of AF speed, with its preety useless "clamp" mode, focus limiter would be way better(like older FA macros used to be,or tammy 90/2.8). Wonder why they became scarce? This would also help telephoto zooms too.. it would be an asset to have a focus limiter on any lens over 50mm imo.

08-25-2016, 11:58 PM - 1 Like	#275
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by mee Wonder why they became scarce? This would also help telephoto zooms too.. it would be an asset to have a focus limiter on any lens over 50mm imo. I too would like a focus-limiter on the D FA 100mm WR f/2.8 Macro. But I use the D FA* 70-200mm and D FA 150-450mm lenses a lot on the K-1. They have limiters, and I use them. But - I suspect I wouldn't have many problems even without limiters. They simply never appear to do the sort of end-to-end hunting that limiters are intended to stop. (Perhaps that is because I'm shooting towards the infinity end, not towards the close end).

08-26-2016, 01:38 AM	#276
Reed Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Warsaw Photos: Gallery Posts: 638	Originally posted by Barry Pearson I too would like a focus-limiter on the D FA 100mm WR f/2.8 Macro. But I use the D FA* 70-200mm and D FA 150-450mm lenses a lot on the K-1. They have limiters, and I use them. But - I suspect I wouldn't have many problems even without limiters. They simply never appear to do the sort of end-to-end hunting that limiters are intended to stop. (Perhaps that is because I'm shooting towards the infinity end, not towards the close end). Yeah, but zooms have almost always quite short throw, when macro scale-it takes around 1/3rd or even half of the whole focusing range, if you can limit that range-it gives you at least half the time to get things in focus. In some cases it matters. I've tried 100WR vs tammy 90 with limiter engaged-even with slower speed torque AF, it got from limited 1,5 meter to infinity faster than 100WR got even out from macro range.Of course it was just for fun test, but I would like that feature to return to every macro lens they will release, and build quality to improve- DFA50&100 are in almost DAL kit lenses quality build, or even worse in my opinion(I had the DFA 50, it started to get barrel wobble after few weeks of use-sold it).

08-26-2016, 02:13 AM	#277
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Focus limiters are useful for macro stuff, they are essential for regular stuff with macro lens.

08-27-2016, 12:24 PM	#278
marmaduke Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 27	is anything in the pipe for photokina?

08-27-2016, 12:38 PM	#279
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Barry Pearson I too would like a focus-limiter on the D FA 100mm WR f/2.8 Macro. But I use the D FA* 70-200mm and D FA 150-450mm lenses a lot on the K-1. They have limiters, and I use them. But - I suspect I wouldn't have many problems even without limiters. They simply never appear to do the sort of end-to-end hunting that limiters are intended to stop. (Perhaps that is because I'm shooting towards the infinity end, not towards the close end). My most desired lens to get a focus limiter is the 55-300mm HD as I find it can hunt like a dog sometimes. And when it does hunt, it goes to closest focus all the way back to infinity, even if it needs to only go a smidgen towards infinity.

08-27-2016, 04:46 PM	#280
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by marmaduke is anything in the pipe for photokina? Only Pentax knows. Our first "leaks" about the K-70 occurred just a few days before the official announcement. {roughly a month earlier, a sharp-eyed member had noticed registration with a Korean agency for WiFi, but name and WiFi are all we knew until the last few days}.

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08-27-2016, 09:02 PM	#282
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by totsmuyco I have a HD 55-300 WR and the results don't excite me now as I continue to use it. It isn't that good on the long end and yes, the AF isn't that good too. I would really like to have an upgrade of the DA* 60-250. Probably with a better AF motor and extended to 300 instead of 250. I would also like to see new or upgrade of other APSC lenses. I believe not everyone will go to FF. Of course, the mechanical lever should be there too. I find it is pretty sharp stopped down... but the real appeal, for me, with this lens is the large focal range in a relatively small and lightweight package. It is fantastic for walkaround shooting... where you know you'll be out for hours. Just needs a limiter. I am looking forward to the reviews of the PLM variant. Hopefully it functions a little better. The 60-250 f/4 is optically better and faster across the board, but it is also larger and heavier... hmmm if they do update, I'd hope they'd make it a DFA f/4 at least. I'm one of those sticking with APS-C for the near future.. unless I run into a windfall of cash or Pentax has a freak firesale on the K-1 and assorted FF lenses haha. But, the more I think about it, APS-C is a pretty sweet spot between IQ, price, and weight. Really, it doesn't seem to be in the pipeline anytime, but I think the crop system needs some refreshing on their stable DA* lenses (16-50, 50-135, 60-250). A frustrating aspect of the camera brand being a relatively small player is there seems to be a very narrow flow of releases.

08-27-2016, 11:02 PM	#283
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by mee The 60-250 f/4 is optically better and faster across the board, but it is also larger and heavier... hmmm if they do update, I'd hope they'd make it a DFA f/4 at least. I would pre-order a D FA 60-250mm f/4, with at least the same image quality as the current version, right now!

08-27-2016, 11:40 PM	#284
asahi man Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 324	Than take the new zoom with complete new AF. Fast,no hunting like an unarmed hunter without eyes,complete new autofocus logic. Same difference to the old Pentax lenses like it is between DA*300 and 150-450. Try it and buy it I liked this lens at the K-1 and I know all Pentax lenses very,very good in questions of autofocus and optical quality Best regards

08-27-2016, 11:48 PM	#285
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by totsmuyco I have a HD 55-300 WR and the results don't excite me now as I continue to use it. It isn't that good on the long end and yes, the AF isn't that good too. I would really like to have an upgrade of the DA* 60-250. Probably with a better AF motor and extended to 300 instead of 250. I would also like to see new or upgrade of other APSC lenses. I believe not everyone will go to FF. Of course, the mechanical lever should be there too. The 55-300 is a consumer tele with 5.5 zoom ratio. It quite sharp at 190, rougly until it keep f/4.5. At 300mm, closed down it is acceptable. But you have to factor the price, the size and finish. i don't think there a lens here that much better for the compromize. If you want the lens at 300mm that's DA*300 or DFA150-450. The problem is 60-250 is much more expensive an heavier/bigger. Only APSC if you don't mod it and it is 250mm only at inifite making it in many occasion no better for reach than a 70-200. A DFA60-250 would be bigger to keep the quality on the border but as I understand, the latest patents are for a 100-300 f/4. Make sense it would be more different than the DFA70-200.