Kinda boring in the Pentax full frame corner.

Kunzite · 09-19-2016, 07:42 AM

The D FA 150-450mm is not "on par" with the competition? What are you basing this on?

I couldn't care less for empty claims that "Fuji, they are selling crazy amounts of cameras" (but can't get into the 3rd position on the home MILC market... go figure!). If you don't have proof, you have nothing.

D1N0 · 09-19-2016, 07:48 AM

Feigning knowledge is a favourite tactic of the Trollicus Internetica Irritatus.

Apapukas · 09-19-2016, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The D FA 150-450mm is not "on par" with the competition? What are you basing this on?

I couldn't care less for empty claims that "Fuji, they are selling crazy amounts of cameras" (but can't get into the 3rd position on the home MILC market... go figure!). If you don't have proof, you have nothing.

I said that 70-200 is on par with the top offerings from other companies. And I said that D FA 150-450mm isn't the lens Pentax is or will be known for, like for example FA31mm or 77. I did not say that it is not on par with the competition.

The number about Fuji I got from the interview I watched with Zack Arias (~1 min).

You Tube

Kunzite · 09-19-2016, 08:33 AM

You said "70-200 is a stellar lens, I agree, it is on par with top offerings from other companies. Not so much for other lenses you mentioned.". Bring proof, or retract the statement.

That video is marketing material, and contains nothing to prove your "Fuji, they are selling crazy amounts of cameras". Bring proof, or retract the statement.
By the way, if B&H would be (still? did they ever?) selling 200 Fuji cameras each 5 minutes, that makes 2,400 cameras per hour - and we can easily reach figures higher than the entire MILC market. Just for one retailer. Think about it.

northcoastgreg · 09-19-2016, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Apapukas

Pentax version doesn't have IS, cuz it is already in body. Shouldn't it be cheaper/easier to make if it requires less parts? I am not an optical designer or anything close but it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

Whatever savings may be gained by getting rid of IS (and the MF/AF switch) is probably more than compensated by the low volume of production. Moreover, my understanding is that Pentax uses its own glass for these lenses (Tamron has no capacity to add Pentax's HD coatings). It's possible that Pentax is using a higher grade of glass.

**clackers** · 09-19-2016, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Apapukas

Regarding Fuji, they are selling crazy amounts of cameras. .

I haven't seen many around, or even know if they're making a loss or not.

If you've got numbers, let's see 'em.

surfar · 09-19-2016, 03:58 PM

---------- Post added 09-20-16 at 10:00 AM ----------

Doesn't look like a corner to me?

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09-19-2016, 07:42 AM	#76
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	The D FA 150-450mm is not "on par" with the competition? What are you basing this on? I couldn't care less for empty claims that "Fuji, they are selling crazy amounts of cameras" (but can't get into the 3rd position on the home MILC market... go figure!). If you don't have proof, you have nothing.

09-19-2016, 07:48 AM	#77
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Feigning knowledge is a favourite tactic of the Trollicus Internetica Irritatus.

09-19-2016, 08:33 AM	#79
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	You said "70-200 is a stellar lens, I agree, it is on par with top offerings from other companies. Not so much for other lenses you mentioned.". Bring proof, or retract the statement. That video is marketing material, and contains nothing to prove your "Fuji, they are selling crazy amounts of cameras". Bring proof, or retract the statement. By the way, if B&H would be (still? did they ever?) selling 200 Fuji cameras each 5 minutes, that makes 2,400 cameras per hour - and we can easily reach figures higher than the entire MILC market. Just for one retailer. Think about it.

09-19-2016, 08:43 AM	#80
northcoastgreg Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Northern Michigan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,172	Originally posted by Apapukas Pentax version doesn't have IS, cuz it is already in body. Shouldn't it be cheaper/easier to make if it requires less parts? I am not an optical designer or anything close but it would be interesting to hear other opinions. Whatever savings may be gained by getting rid of IS (and the MF/AF switch) is probably more than compensated by the low volume of production. Moreover, my understanding is that Pentax uses its own glass for these lenses (Tamron has no capacity to add Pentax's HD coatings). It's possible that Pentax is using a higher grade of glass.

09-19-2016, 02:22 PM	#81
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Apapukas Regarding Fuji, they are selling crazy amounts of cameras. . I haven't seen many around, or even know if they're making a loss or not. If you've got numbers, let's see 'em.

09-19-2016, 03:58 PM	#82
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,137	---------- Post added 09-20-16 at 10:00 AM ---------- Doesn't look like a corner to me?

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