Sony financial results - A7 etc. camera collapse with interesting insights

**clackers** · 12-09-2016, 05:37 AM - **1 Like**

Ah, it was here:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/327271-ricoh-financial-results-fy2017-03-a-post3731838.html

**monochrome** · 12-09-2016, 06:03 AM

Just 18 months ago Sony raised $4 Billion - diluting shareholders and essentially mortgaging future per-share earnings - to increase sensor production.

Hmmmmmm.

**monochrome** · 12-09-2016, 10:20 AM - **1 Like**

This article in today's New York Times coincidentally offers some insight to consumer appetite for cameras and other 'things'.

beholder3 · 12-09-2016, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Just 18 months ago Sony raised $4 Billion - diluting shareholders and essentially mortgaging future per-share earnings - to increase sensor production.

Hmmmmmm.

So Sony borrows money to expand a money loosing sensor business?

This all is weird.

**clackers** · 12-09-2016, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by beholder3

So Sony borrows money to expand a money loosing sensor business?

This all is weird.

IIRC, a horrible thing for them is that Apple stopped using them exclusively for iPhone camera sensors and started putting in Samsungs in selected production runs.

normhead · 12-09-2016, 12:57 PM

Does this mean all those guys promoting mirrorless as he way of the future might pipe down a bit?

RonHendriks1966 · 12-09-2016, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

This article in today's New York Times coincidentally offers some insight to consumer appetite for cameras and other 'things'.

Essentially you can do almost all you need to have a fun and easy life with what is possible on a modern smartphone. You can pay in shops and public transport. You can shop online. You can make images. Look for a date. Find a restaurant. Play games. Navigate. Make images. Have your social life. So yes, gadgets have a hard time and camera's are gadgets to.

**clackers** · 12-09-2016, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by normhead

Does this mean all those guys promoting mirrorless as he way of the future might pipe down a bit?

You notice the trolls are not strutting like peacocks on this forum anymore?

There was a time when there was a plague of them.

Oh, hello, Ron, you're still here!

RonHendriks1966 · 12-09-2016, 03:29 PM

Time is on my site......

**boriscleto** · 12-09-2016, 03:46 PM - **2 Likes**

Ron must be very excited that Sigma is about to ship an APS-H mirrorless...

beholder3 · 12-09-2016, 04:14 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

Does this mean all those guys promoting mirrorless as he way of the future might pipe down a bit?

Combine this:

Pentax is a Japan centric company
In Japan mirrorless camera sales compared to last year have taken a nosedive of -37% (both units and money) compared to last year (see current CIPA data)

Do you believe it would be a very smart idea for Pentax to alienate their existing DSLR customers and pump a hell of a load of money for a completely new system into this imploding market?

Boy in Japan, mirrorless cameras from Fuji, Sony and others are dropping even faster than compact point and shoots.

RonHendriks1966 · 12-09-2016, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Ron must be very excited that Sigma is about to ship an APS-H mirrorless...

That also. But in reality there was always an APS-H camera with ccd sensor on sale the last years. Only an industrial camera with Nikon mount and manual focus. Found it some weeks ago. Very expensive.

rawr · 12-09-2016, 07:08 PM - **1 Like**

Gadgets aren't completely gone. Depends on the category/niche, product design and price.

Just try and buy a DJI Mavic Pro drone for example. They can't make enough of them. Since they launched in September, their factories are running hot and every Mavic they make has been pre-sold. Very clever products can buck the gadget decline trend (at least for a while).

**Digitalis** · 12-09-2016, 07:51 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

Does this mean all those guys promoting mirrorless as he way of the future might pipe down a bit?

...one can only hope.

Originally posted by monochrome

today's New York Times coincidentally offers some insight to consumer appetite for cameras

It bears mentioning that the term "average consumer" pretty much excludes people who have a high degree of involvement with websites like this.

beholder3 · 12-10-2016, 01:55 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Digitalis

.
It bears mentioning that the term "average consumer" pretty much excludes people who have a high involvement with websites like this.

A very true reminder.

Does that mean the universe does not (unbelievable!) revolve around the personal x-mas list wishes and opinions of forum nerds? Blasphemy!

12-09-2016, 10:20 AM - 1 Like	#18
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	NYT - The Gadget Apocalypse is Upon Us This article in today's New York Times coincidentally offers some insight to consumer appetite for cameras and other 'things'.

12-09-2016, 04:14 PM - 1 Like	#26
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112 Original Poster	Originally posted by normhead Does this mean all those guys promoting mirrorless as he way of the future might pipe down a bit? Combine this: Pentax is a Japan centric company In Japan mirrorless camera sales compared to last year have taken a nosedive of -37% (both units and money) compared to last year (see current CIPA data) Do you believe it would be a very smart idea for Pentax to alienate their existing DSLR customers and pump a hell of a load of money for a completely new system into this imploding market? Boy in Japan, mirrorless cameras from Fuji, Sony and others are dropping even faster than compact point and shoots.

12-09-2016, 07:51 PM - 1 Like	#29
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by normhead Does this mean all those guys promoting mirrorless as he way of the future might pipe down a bit? ...one can only hope. Originally posted by monochrome today's New York Times coincidentally offers some insight to consumer appetite for cameras It bears mentioning that the term "average consumer" pretty much excludes people who have a high degree of involvement with websites like this. Last edited by Digitalis; 12-10-2016 at 06:55 AM.

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12-09-2016, 05:37 AM - 1 Like	#16
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Ah, it was here: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/327271-ricoh-financial-results-fy2017-03-a-post3731838.html

12-09-2016, 06:03 AM	#17
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Just 18 months ago Sony raised $4 Billion - diluting shareholders and essentially mortgaging future per-share earnings - to increase sensor production. Hmmmmmm.

12-09-2016, 11:27 AM	#19
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112 Original Poster	Originally posted by monochrome Just 18 months ago Sony raised $4 Billion - diluting shareholders and essentially mortgaging future per-share earnings - to increase sensor production. Hmmmmmm. So Sony borrows money to expand a money loosing sensor business? This all is weird.

12-09-2016, 12:40 PM	#20
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by beholder3 So Sony borrows money to expand a money loosing sensor business? This all is weird. IIRC, a horrible thing for them is that Apple stopped using them exclusively for iPhone camera sensors and started putting in Samsungs in selected production runs.

12-09-2016, 12:57 PM	#21
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Does this mean all those guys promoting mirrorless as he way of the future might pipe down a bit?

12-09-2016, 01:47 PM	#22
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by monochrome This article in today's New York Times coincidentally offers some insight to consumer appetite for cameras and other 'things'. Essentially you can do almost all you need to have a fun and easy life with what is possible on a modern smartphone. You can pay in shops and public transport. You can shop online. You can make images. Look for a date. Find a restaurant. Play games. Navigate. Make images. Have your social life. So yes, gadgets have a hard time and camera's are gadgets to.

12-09-2016, 01:53 PM	#23
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by normhead Does this mean all those guys promoting mirrorless as he way of the future might pipe down a bit? You notice the trolls are not strutting like peacocks on this forum anymore? There was a time when there was a plague of them. Oh, hello, Ron, you're still here!

12-09-2016, 03:29 PM	#24
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Time is on my site......

12-09-2016, 03:46 PM - 2 Likes	#25
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Ron must be very excited that Sigma is about to ship an APS-H mirrorless...

12-09-2016, 04:15 PM	#27
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by boriscleto Ron must be very excited that Sigma is about to ship an APS-H mirrorless... That also. But in reality there was always an APS-H camera with ccd sensor on sale the last years. Only an industrial camera with Nikon mount and manual focus. Found it some weeks ago. Very expensive.

12-09-2016, 07:08 PM - 1 Like	#28
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Gadgets aren't completely gone. Depends on the category/niche, product design and price. Just try and buy a DJI Mavic Pro drone for example. They can't make enough of them. Since they launched in September, their factories are running hot and every Mavic they make has been pre-sold. Very clever products can buck the gadget decline trend (at least for a while).

12-10-2016, 01:55 AM - 1 Like	#30
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112 Original Poster	Originally posted by Digitalis . It bears mentioning that the term "average consumer" pretty much excludes people who have a high involvement with websites like this. A very true reminder. Does that mean the universe does not (unbelievable!) revolve around the personal x-mas list wishes and opinions of forum nerds? Blasphemy!