What is Pentax doing?

**monochrome** · 02-20-2018, 09:23 PM

^^ Try It with a KP.

bobmaxja · 02-20-2018, 09:32 PM

OK ., I am going to take great photos with my K-5. Who care what # is printed in front of the camera, only the user know,, nobody else know except if you publish the Exif

and great photo werr made for a long time without all the gadget of the new machine.

stevebrot · 02-20-2018, 09:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Poit

Now if you are a loyal follower of kenspo, what do you think that might entail?

I ain't*, but my anticipation is that "pro" emphasis will not include magic face/iris detection, touch screens, or video.

Steve

* I have a lot of respect for @kenspo, but don't "follow" him in any sense.

Poit · 02-20-2018, 10:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

Now perhaps the instincts regarding appropriate market features for enhanced penetration are spot on. If so, this forum is not the place to bleat out the repeated suggestions year after year. It is tedious. A reasonable idea might be to pitch Ricoh for employment in their market research and product development group

Well, that’s just nasty.

And I’m a troll?

---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:29 PM ----------

Correct me if my recollection is wrong, but I think kenspo specifically mentioned ‘professionals beyond landscape and studio’.

So, to my thinking, that entails wildlife, sports, weddings, out life. All areas that require great AF.

---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:33 PM ----------

Originally posted by Gedeon

I agree with POIT. All this seems to me very worrying. Pentax produces very few products, especially new and modernized lenses. Lenses that have made its success before, qualitative, simple and compact lenses. Now, pentax gives us pieces of bricks, at exaggerated prices, and at a very slow frequency. The evolutions are minor. It's easy to say "you just have to be better at focusing" or "just go to Nikon man". The problem is not there. We are loyal to Pentax, and Pentax communicates very little, and has a completely unreadable business strategy. For my part, I'm not ready to buy a new K lens or new DSLR, because I do not know where this company is going.

Thank you. A voice of reason in this madness

**monochrome** · 02-20-2018, 10:37 PM

Just. Stop.

Originally posted by Poit

Well, that’s just nasty.

And I’m a troll?

---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:29 PM ----------

Correct me if my recollection is wrong, but I think kenspo specifically mentioned ‘professionals beyond landscape and studio’.

So, to my thinking, that entails wildlife, sports, weddings, out life. All areas that require great AF.

---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:33 PM ----------

Thank you. A voice of reason in this madness

**clackers** · 02-20-2018, 10:37 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Poit

So, to my thinking, that entails wildlife, sports, weddings, out life. All areas that require great AF.

You keep asking us whether we think you're a troll or not a little too often for my liking, Poit.

You should have no trouble doing any of that if a mug like me can take pictures like these:

Poit · 02-20-2018, 10:47 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

OK...so you are not planning on buying the features you strongly suggest are needed? Translation: No ROI for pursuing feature parity not supported by market research.
I expect that is why we are not seeing certain features despite almost a decade of their presence of on the competition's product.

The market research is readily available. Weddings are the largest market for pro photographers.

I have said for the past four years, make a Pentax camera and lenses that satisfies the weddings market, and they will satisfy almost everyone.

Sorry if I’m ‘bleating’, but a shepherd that doesn’t listen to his sheep is gonna lose his flock.

---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:53 PM ----------

Originally posted by clackers

You keep asking us whether we think you're a troll or not a little too often for my liking, Poit.

You should have no trouble doing any of that if a mug like me can take pictures like these:

Poit

I can take photos clackers

---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:54 PM ----------

Poit

---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:57 PM ----------

Your photos are still life, largely, clackers.

I was employed to shoot about 10 bike races. All pre-focused. I lost both jobs

Unregistered User 8 · 02-20-2018, 11:01 PM - **2 Likes**

Hi folks, some valid points have been made from many posters here, but tempers are getting in way of the dialogue now.

Thread closed.

02-20-2018, 10:37 PM - 3 Likes	#81
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Poit So, to my thinking, that entails wildlife, sports, weddings, out life. All areas that require great AF. You keep asking us whether we think you're a troll or not a little too often for my liking, Poit. You should have no trouble doing any of that if a mug like me can take pictures like these: Last edited by clackers; 02-20-2018 at 10:51 PM.

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	^^ Try It with a KP.

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bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	OK ., I am going to take great photos with my K-5. Who care what # is printed in front of the camera, only the user know,, nobody else know except if you publish the Exif and great photo werr made for a long time without all the gadget of the new machine.

02-20-2018, 09:55 PM - 1 Like	#78
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Poit Now if you are a loyal follower of kenspo, what do you think that might entail? I ain't, but my anticipation is that "pro" emphasis will not include magic face/iris detection, touch screens, or video. Steve I have a lot of respect for @kenspo, but don't "follow" him in any sense.

02-20-2018, 10:16 PM - 1 Like	#79
Poit Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 423 Original Poster	Originally posted by stevebrot Now perhaps the instincts regarding appropriate market features for enhanced penetration are spot on. If so, this forum is not the place to bleat out the repeated suggestions year after year. It is tedious. A reasonable idea might be to pitch Ricoh for employment in their market research and product development group Well, that’s just nasty. And I’m a troll? ---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:29 PM ---------- Correct me if my recollection is wrong, but I think kenspo specifically mentioned ‘professionals beyond landscape and studio’. So, to my thinking, that entails wildlife, sports, weddings, out life. All areas that require great AF. ---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:33 PM ---------- Originally posted by Gedeon I agree with POIT. All this seems to me very worrying. Pentax produces very few products, especially new and modernized lenses. Lenses that have made its success before, qualitative, simple and compact lenses. Now, pentax gives us pieces of bricks, at exaggerated prices, and at a very slow frequency. The evolutions are minor. It's easy to say "you just have to be better at focusing" or "just go to Nikon man". The problem is not there. We are loyal to Pentax, and Pentax communicates very little, and has a completely unreadable business strategy. For my part, I'm not ready to buy a new K lens or new DSLR, because I do not know where this company is going. Thank you. A voice of reason in this madness

02-20-2018, 10:37 PM	#80
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Just. Stop. Originally posted by Poit Well, that’s just nasty. And I’m a troll? ---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:29 PM ---------- Correct me if my recollection is wrong, but I think kenspo specifically mentioned ‘professionals beyond landscape and studio’. So, to my thinking, that entails wildlife, sports, weddings, out life. All areas that require great AF. ---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:33 PM ---------- Thank you. A voice of reason in this madness

02-20-2018, 10:47 PM - 1 Like	#82
Poit Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 423 Original Poster	Originally posted by stevebrot OK...so you are not planning on buying the features you strongly suggest are needed? Translation: No ROI for pursuing feature parity not supported by market research. I expect that is why we are not seeing certain features despite almost a decade of their presence of on the competition's product. The market research is readily available. Weddings are the largest market for pro photographers. I have said for the past four years, make a Pentax camera and lenses that satisfies the weddings market, and they will satisfy almost everyone. Sorry if I’m ‘bleating’, but a shepherd that doesn’t listen to his sheep is gonna lose his flock. ---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:53 PM ---------- Originally posted by clackers You keep asking us whether we think you're a troll or not a little too often for my liking, Poit. You should have no trouble doing any of that if a mug like me can take pictures like these: Poit I can take photos clackers ---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:54 PM ---------- Poit ---------- Post added 02-21-18 at 04:57 PM ---------- Your photos are still life, largely, clackers. I was employed to shoot about 10 bike races. All pre-focused. I lost both jobs

02-20-2018, 11:01 PM - 2 Likes	#83
Unregistered User 8 Closed Account Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,694	Hi folks, some valid points have been made from many posters here, but tempers are getting in way of the dialogue now. Thread closed.