SmugMug Swallows Flickr

**cdd29** · 04-25-2018, 04:57 AM

I've got a Flickr account (free, standard account) but rarely use it. I normally post stuff to 500px.

Rico · 04-25-2018, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Lord Lucan

Small size and footprint (as hyped in that link) does not matter with a NAS, unless you plan to carry it around with you - which is not a normal NAS function. It does not need to sit on your desk like with the guy in the picture; if I had one I would site it in the attic where a burglar would not look (or a corner of the cellar if you have one). Reliability is the main requirement of NAS, not speed or smallness, and 3.5" disk drives are more reliable than 2.5" or SSD drives. I would use something like the Western Digital Red or Gold 3.5" series. Fire is then the only threat.

Small size and footprint for NAS may not matter to you which doesn't make it not matter at all. SSD is far superior to disk drives. If I could afford it I would switch entirely to archiving with SSD.

The Mars Rover missions success have been due largely to NAND flash. The NAND flash finally failed in Opportunity in 2014 after 10 years of use on the surface fo Mars.

stevebrot · 04-25-2018, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Rico

SSD is far superior to disk drives.

Horses for courses...

If it works for you, that is fine, though I might point out that data centers don't run on SSD. They work great for long-term read-only application, but not so good for where write/delete/format is the primary task load. The same applies to our camera's flash memory.

Steve

bdery · 04-25-2018, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Rico

SSD is far superior to disk drives. If I could afford it I would switch entirely to archiving with SSD.

Respectfully, I agree with stevebrot. SSD is faster, silent, but not as reliable for repeated access. It's also much more expensive than disks. And the speed advantage is significantly decreased when you network the NAS, even with gigabit ethernet. WD's Red (and Gold) drives are specifically designed for frequent read/write access, and are more durable than most drives, SSD or disk. I'm sure other brands have comparable drives, I'm only familiar with WD's.

Kunzite · 04-26-2018, 03:39 AM

HDDs retains several advantages over SSDs - capacity (or capacity per $), they're less affected by writes (you'd need to write a lot on modern SSDs to have them fail though - assuming wear leveling works), long term data retention.

An ultra-quiet NAS sitting in your living room, with low storage requirements and perhaps acting as a media server would be a different solution from a higher capacity NAS. Perhaps something fanless like a QNAP HS-251+.
OTOH on a 1TB volume you could store the content of about 8x128GB SD cards...

Not a Number · 04-26-2018, 04:43 AM

Do this to increase your SSD's lifespan! - CNET

Kunzite · 04-26-2018, 05:58 AM

They're going a bit too far IMO. You should get quite a few years from a system SSD, without disabling stuff like paging.

**baro-nite** · 04-26-2018, 06:29 AM - **4 Likes**

I respectfully suggest that the topic of this thread is not SSD vs HDD, as useful as that information is. Can we please get back to making largely baseless predictions about how SmugMug is going to ruin Flickr?

normhead · 04-26-2018, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by baro-nite

I respectfully suggest that the topic of this thread is not SSD vs HDD, as useful as that information is. Can we please get back to making largely baseless predictions about how SmugMug is going to ruin Flickr?

I think what we know about SSD is probably more relevant and is actually based on a few facts. As opposed to the speculation about flickr and Smugmug.

But hey, that's just me.

**i_trax** · 04-26-2018, 08:29 PM

Flickr Terms and Conditions

stevebrot · 04-27-2018, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by i_trax

Flickr Terms and Conditions

Speaking of today's fact, which may be different than tomorrow's fact, or the day after, but it is good enough for today. (SmugMug has stated that the account terms will morph over time.)

Steve

D1N0 · 05-03-2018, 03:19 AM - **3 Likes**

Interview with Smugmug owner Don MacAskill about the Flickr Acquisition:
The Flickr buy-out: your questions answered - Amateur Photographer

**Tas** · 05-05-2018, 05:07 AM

Is it just me or is Flickr as slow as a wet weekend at the moment?

Could this be a part of analysing behaviours in preparation for a change to whatever Smug Mug plans to implement?

I'm not interested in it becoming slower.

D1N0 · 05-05-2018, 05:46 AM

I am not experiencing slowness

Racer X 69 · 05-05-2018, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Tas

Is it just me or is Flickr as slow as a wet weekend at the moment?

Could this be a part of analysing behaviours in preparation for a change to whatever Smug Mug plans to implement?

I'm not interested in it becoming slower.

The only lag I find is my poor internet connection.

04-26-2018, 03:39 AM	#125
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	HDDs retains several advantages over SSDs - capacity (or capacity per $), they're less affected by writes (you'd need to write a lot on modern SSDs to have them fail though - assuming wear leveling works), long term data retention. An ultra-quiet NAS sitting in your living room, with low storage requirements and perhaps acting as a media server would be a different solution from a higher capacity NAS. Perhaps something fanless like a QNAP HS-251+. OTOH on a 1TB volume you could store the content of about 8x128GB SD cards... Last edited by Kunzite; 04-26-2018 at 04:20 AM.

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04-25-2018, 04:57 AM	#121
cdd29 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Southern Indiana Photos: Gallery Posts: 961	I've got a Flickr account (free, standard account) but rarely use it. I normally post stuff to 500px.

04-25-2018, 08:40 AM	#122
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,204	Originally posted by Lord Lucan Small size and footprint (as hyped in that link) does not matter with a NAS, unless you plan to carry it around with you - which is not a normal NAS function. It does not need to sit on your desk like with the guy in the picture; if I had one I would site it in the attic where a burglar would not look (or a corner of the cellar if you have one). Reliability is the main requirement of NAS, not speed or smallness, and 3.5" disk drives are more reliable than 2.5" or SSD drives. I would use something like the Western Digital Red or Gold 3.5" series. Fire is then the only threat. Small size and footprint for NAS may not matter to you which doesn't make it not matter at all. SSD is far superior to disk drives. If I could afford it I would switch entirely to archiving with SSD. The Mars Rover missions success have been due largely to NAND flash. The NAND flash finally failed in Opportunity in 2014 after 10 years of use on the surface fo Mars.

04-25-2018, 09:13 AM	#123
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rico SSD is far superior to disk drives. Horses for courses... If it works for you, that is fine, though I might point out that data centers don't run on SSD. They work great for long-term read-only application, but not so good for where write/delete/format is the primary task load. The same applies to our camera's flash memory. Steve

04-25-2018, 10:12 AM	#124
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,357	Originally posted by Rico SSD is far superior to disk drives. If I could afford it I would switch entirely to archiving with SSD. Respectfully, I agree with stevebrot. SSD is faster, silent, but not as reliable for repeated access. It's also much more expensive than disks. And the speed advantage is significantly decreased when you network the NAS, even with gigabit ethernet. WD's Red (and Gold) drives are specifically designed for frequent read/write access, and are more durable than most drives, SSD or disk. I'm sure other brands have comparable drives, I'm only familiar with WD's.

04-26-2018, 04:43 AM	#126
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Do this to increase your SSD's lifespan! - CNET

04-26-2018, 05:58 AM	#127
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	They're going a bit too far IMO. You should get quite a few years from a system SSD, without disabling stuff like paging.

04-26-2018, 06:29 AM - 4 Likes	#128
baro-nite Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: North Carolina, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,294	I respectfully suggest that the topic of this thread is not SSD vs HDD, as useful as that information is. Can we please get back to making largely baseless predictions about how SmugMug is going to ruin Flickr?

04-26-2018, 06:43 AM	#129
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by baro-nite I respectfully suggest that the topic of this thread is not SSD vs HDD, as useful as that information is. Can we please get back to making largely baseless predictions about how SmugMug is going to ruin Flickr? I think what we know about SSD is probably more relevant and is actually based on a few facts. As opposed to the speculation about flickr and Smugmug. But hey, that's just me.

04-26-2018, 08:29 PM	#130
i_trax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Perth Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,621	Flickr Terms and Conditions

04-27-2018, 07:51 AM	#131
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007 Original Poster	Originally posted by i_trax Flickr Terms and Conditions Speaking of today's fact, which may be different than tomorrow's fact, or the day after, but it is good enough for today. (SmugMug has stated that the account terms will morph over time.) Steve

05-03-2018, 03:19 AM - 3 Likes	#132
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Interview with Smugmug owner Don MacAskill about the Flickr Acquisition: The Flickr buy-out: your questions answered - Amateur Photographer

05-05-2018, 05:07 AM	#133
Tas Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Brisbane, QLD Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,202	Is it just me or is Flickr as slow as a wet weekend at the moment? Could this be a part of analysing behaviours in preparation for a change to whatever Smug Mug plans to implement? I'm not interested in it becoming slower.

05-05-2018, 05:46 AM	#134
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	I am not experiencing slowness

05-05-2018, 07:38 AM	#135
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,065	Originally posted by Tas Is it just me or is Flickr as slow as a wet weekend at the moment? Could this be a part of analysing behaviours in preparation for a change to whatever Smug Mug plans to implement? I'm not interested in it becoming slower. The only lag I find is my poor internet connection.