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11-09-2018, 08:44 PM - 9 Likes   #1
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K3II + Sigma 100-300/4 at f4 and 300MM. ISO 8000, 12,800 and 16,000 respectively. 3D Project Jazz Dance Company, 2 Nov 2018, Cary Arts Center, Cary, NC.







11-09-2018, 10:01 PM   #2
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Great shots. I like the last one best.....great lighting/contrast.
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Yes. The middle one. Lighting, contrast, detail. OOF vs in. Nice!
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Pentax K-1 II would be even better for those kind of shots. Why not use a Pentax K-1 II ?

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Great shots. I agree no excuses for pushing the ISO.
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Nice control of noise.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Brooke Meyer Quote
I've rented and used a 645Z and the files are wonderful. For most purposes, they're also overkill. If I had a client that specified it, I'd simply add the rental cost to the Invoice. None of my clients do. What they do tell me is that they're happy with my work.
Ok ,makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
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Beautiful pictures. I understand your point, for the most I agree.

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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
Pentax K-1 II would be even better for those kind of shots. Why not use a Pentax K-1 II ?
I guess I am a bit confused as to how a K-1 would improve those shots. They already look pretty good to me.

No offense intended to the full frame crowd but Pentax's APS-C cameras are still awesome tools.

Brooke is obviously a very, very capable artist.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pioneer Quote
I guess I am a bit confused as to how a K-1 would improve those shots. They already look pretty good to me.
Indeed those images look very good, especially tones and subject composition. That said, the smaller images, the better they look, that's why people think smartphones are so good at taking pictures displayed over 2" x 4" they do look good. So it all comes down to display/print size that we are aiming at. ISO 8000 starting to become a real challenge, due to the reduced DR, you really have to be spot-on with the exposure.
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36 mpx FF raws are noisy... from 800 iso on, But after resizing to 24 mpx they look much much better and comparable with those from 24 mpx FF or APSC cameras. At lower resolutions and small devices, the difference is negligible. IMHO.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bm75 Quote
36 mpx FF raws are noisy... from 800 iso on, But after resizing to 24 mpx they look much much better and comparable with those from 24 mpx FF or APSC cameras. At lower resolutions and small devices, the difference is negligible. IMHO.
?????

This doesn't match what I have read here and elsewhere. Also 24 MP FF is notably lower noise than 24 mp APSC. I don't see how lumping them together makes sense. 24mp APSC is similar in pixel pitch to 50mp and if anything is much noisier than 36mp FF.

I can see how 24mp FF would be lower in noise.

I'd love to see some supporting evidence for the 24mp APSC being lower in noise than 36mp FF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by UncleVanya Quote
'd love to see some supporting evidence for the 24mp APSC being lower in noise than 36mp FF.
Sorry, I have no evidences because I never shot the same scene in controlled conditions with both 24 mp and 36 mp. Plus I'm not a scientist....So you're free to consider my words as BS. .
From my prints I see no big differences at high Isos (I don't print more than 20*30 cm over 1600 Iso, no matter the native format). And if I resize the photos to be seen on screen, I see no big differences at lower resolutions, like, i.e. 12 mpx or, minus more, screen size (3-4 mpx approx). Obviously 100% pixel-peeping is different.
My d800 (36 mpx camera - perfect condition) is noisy even at 800 Iso when pixel-peeping but that's not a real problem. Quite the same behaviour as d7100 (24 mpx apsc camera) perhaps a full f/stop difference ...that was unexpected for me but so it is ( I supposed much better performance of the FF). I don't know if newer cameras are better, I suppose so. These days I'm testing apple vs oranges: Iso 800-3200 pictures taken with my Fuji xt1 (16mpx non bayer) vs Nikon d800 - NIkon lenses on both .
Note: we're talking of noise, not DR or color response: APSC needs more PP as far as the Iso grows.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bm75 Quote
Sorry, I have no evidences because I never shot the same scene in controlled conditions with both 24 mp and 36 mp. Plus I'm not a scientist....So you're free to consider my words as BS. .
From my prints I see no big differences at high Isos (I don't print more than 20*30 cm over 1600 Iso, no matter the native format). And if I resize the photos to be seen on screen, I see no big differences at lower resolutions, like, i.e. 12 mpx or, minus more, screen size (3-4 mpx approx). Obviously 100% pixel-peeping is different.
My d800 (36 mpx camera - perfect condition) is noisy even at 800 Iso when pixel-peeping but that's not a real problem. Quite the same behaviour as d7100 (24 mpx apsc camera) perhaps a full f/stop difference ...that was unexpected for me but so it is ( I supposed much better performance of the FF). I don't know if newer cameras are better, I suppose so. These days I'm testing apple vs oranges: Iso 800-3200 pictures taken with my Fuji xt1 (16mpx non bayer) vs Nikon d800 - NIkon lenses on both .
Note: we're talking of noise, not DR or color response: APSC needs more PP as far as the Iso grows.

Fair enough. I appreciate the detailed answer. From what I have seen the newer generation FF 36mp cameras are doing a bit better but then again so are the newest APSC. I would expect around 2 stops difference but I'm not sure that's what real world noise tests are showing between something like the KP and the K1-mkII.
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