Could this be the in the Pentax K1 mark3

**Belnan** · 11-23-2018, 06:20 AM

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A fast 36mp sensor would be the sweet spot for many people.

reh321 · 11-23-2018, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by Belnan

(SR5) Hot: These are the next two new Sony Full Frame 16bit sensors!!! (speculation: for A9r and A7sIII???) - sonyalpharumors sonyalpharumors

A fast 36mp sensor would be the sweet spot for many people.

In another year or two, perhaps.
I expect Pentax to develop cameras above and below the K-1ii before then.

ogl · 11-23-2018, 06:26 AM

Yes. But not quicker than at the end of 2019.

RonHendriks1966 · 11-23-2018, 07:45 AM

With that 60 megapixel sensor they could closedown the 645 line.

nzondlo · 11-23-2018, 08:10 AM

Not a chance in hell that first sensor comes packaged in anything resembling affordable. Looks like a new sensor for their cinema line to compete with Red. Maybe an FS9?

**Belnan** · 11-23-2018, 08:18 AM

I'm not sure a 60mp beast would be priced at such a level that Pentaxians would like. However this sensor combined with pixel shift would be superb. Probably.

RonHendriks1966 · 11-23-2018, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Belnan

I'm not sure a 60mp beast would be priced at such a level that Pentaxians would like. However this sensor combined with pixel shift would be superb. Probably.

Pixeldensity is the same as for the 100mp sensor for medium format, just a smaller cut from the wafer.

**MossyRocks** · 11-23-2018, 09:04 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

just a smaller cut from the wafer.

It wouldn't be a smaller cut as the support electronics , pin pads, and traces are all dependent on the individual sensor being made. That said I would be willing to bet it is made on the same process and has a similar layout so the cost to develop would have been much lower. Also given that it is smaller it would also have greater yields per wafer and be much cheaper per sensor area than the other. With sensors like this it isn't like they can bin them as much as CPU manufactures do and disable faulty components and sort by maximum supported clock. They might be able to get away by having ones that support lower bit depth or higher noise to up the salable one though.

DeadJohn · 11-23-2018, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Belnan

...A fast 36mp sensor would be the sweet spot for many people.

I agree that it would be nice. Making full use of that 10fps sensor requires a larger overhaul than a "mark" upgrade suggests, though.

Faster mirror and shutter mechanism
Larger buffer
Faster memory bus
Maybe an improved AF module, because there's now less time between shots to focus

reh321 · 11-23-2018, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

I agree that it would be nice. Making full use of that 10fps sensor requires a larger overhaul than a "mark" upgrade suggests, though.

Faster mirror and shutter mechanism
Larger buffer
Faster memory bus
Maybe an improved AF module, because there's now less time between shots to focus

Probably most important - Pentax has a serious need for a new processor.

thibs · 11-23-2018, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Probably most important - Pentax has a serious need for a new processor.

Absolutely.

**shardulm** · 11-23-2018, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Probably most important - Pentax has a serious need for a new processor.

Exactly... they are still using the old 50 cent processors on their cameras. The Accelerator Unit was a bit of an enhancement, more of a core added, to share the load but it could use more horsepower for sure given the processors are going for cheap these days.

But even before then they need some serious research work on the AF capabilities.

awscreo · 11-23-2018, 03:54 PM - **1 Like**

Don't think so, this looks to be very high end. I'd be happy with the same performance as the current k-1, but with maybe better af, iq is already insanely good with K-1

punkrachmaninov · 11-23-2018, 10:13 PM

this isn't going into any dslr... wake up folks. these are the pano sensors. in my humble opinion it is very likely that the pentax mirrorless full frame will sport the 36 version, which means it will probably shoot 24p video as well as anything else... do you really think pentax will ignore video forever?

historically, the k-5 made the same mistake as the canon 5dmkiv (in that it was all robust bitrate and no functionality), but i wouldn't be so quick to write pentax off in the video department.

nzondlo · 11-24-2018, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by punkrachmaninov

in my humble opinion it is very likely that the pentax mirrorless full frame will sport the 36 version, which means it will probably shoot 24p video as well as anything else... do you really think pentax will ignore video forever?

Has a real full-frame mirrorless been rumored anywhere else? I saw the hubrid viewfinder patent which seemed close, but nothing that specific. What do you know!

11-23-2018, 06:20 AM	#1
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	Could this be the in the Pentax K1 mark3 (SR5) Hot: These are the next two new Sony Full Frame 16bit sensors!!! (speculation: for A9r and A7sIII???) - sonyalpharumors sonyalpharumors A fast 36mp sensor would be the sweet spot for many people.

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nzondlo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 186	Not a chance in hell that first sensor comes packaged in anything resembling affordable. Looks like a new sensor for their cinema line to compete with Red. Maybe an FS9? Last edited by nzondlo; 11-23-2018 at 08:27 AM.

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11-23-2018, 06:25 AM	#2
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Belnan (SR5) Hot: These are the next two new Sony Full Frame 16bit sensors!!! (speculation: for A9r and A7sIII???) - sonyalpharumors sonyalpharumors A fast 36mp sensor would be the sweet spot for many people. In another year or two, perhaps. I expect Pentax to develop cameras above and below the K-1ii before then.

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ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Yes. But not quicker than at the end of 2019.

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RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	With that 60 megapixel sensor they could closedown the 645 line.

11-23-2018, 08:18 AM	#6
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090 Original Poster	I'm not sure a 60mp beast would be priced at such a level that Pentaxians would like. However this sensor combined with pixel shift would be superb. Probably.

11-23-2018, 08:23 AM	#7
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Belnan I'm not sure a 60mp beast would be priced at such a level that Pentaxians would like. However this sensor combined with pixel shift would be superb. Probably. Pixeldensity is the same as for the 100mp sensor for medium format, just a smaller cut from the wafer.

11-23-2018, 09:04 AM - 1 Like	#8
MossyRocks Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,982	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 just a smaller cut from the wafer. It wouldn't be a smaller cut as the support electronics , pin pads, and traces are all dependent on the individual sensor being made. That said I would be willing to bet it is made on the same process and has a similar layout so the cost to develop would have been much lower. Also given that it is smaller it would also have greater yields per wafer and be much cheaper per sensor area than the other. With sensors like this it isn't like they can bin them as much as CPU manufactures do and disable faulty components and sort by maximum supported clock. They might be able to get away by having ones that support lower bit depth or higher noise to up the salable one though.

11-23-2018, 09:33 AM	#9
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,833	Originally posted by Belnan ...A fast 36mp sensor would be the sweet spot for many people. I agree that it would be nice. Making full use of that 10fps sensor requires a larger overhaul than a "mark" upgrade suggests, though. Faster mirror and shutter mechanism Larger buffer Faster memory bus Maybe an improved AF module, because there's now less time between shots to focus

11-23-2018, 09:44 AM	#10
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by DeadJohn I agree that it would be nice. Making full use of that 10fps sensor requires a larger overhaul than a "mark" upgrade suggests, though. Faster mirror and shutter mechanism Larger buffer Faster memory bus Maybe an improved AF module, because there's now less time between shots to focus Probably most important - Pentax has a serious need for a new processor.

11-23-2018, 12:38 PM	#11
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by reh321 Probably most important - Pentax has a serious need for a new processor. Absolutely.

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shardulm Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 793	Originally posted by reh321 Probably most important - Pentax has a serious need for a new processor. Exactly... they are still using the old 50 cent processors on their cameras. The Accelerator Unit was a bit of an enhancement, more of a core added, to share the load but it could use more horsepower for sure given the processors are going for cheap these days. But even before then they need some serious research work on the AF capabilities.

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11-23-2018, 03:54 PM - 1 Like	#13
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Don't think so, this looks to be very high end. I'd be happy with the same performance as the current k-1, but with maybe better af, iq is already insanely good with K-1

11-23-2018, 10:13 PM	#14
punkrachmaninov Banned Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 75	this isn't going into any dslr... wake up folks. these are the pano sensors. in my humble opinion it is very likely that the pentax mirrorless full frame will sport the 36 version, which means it will probably shoot 24p video as well as anything else... do you really think pentax will ignore video forever? historically, the k-5 made the same mistake as the canon 5dmkiv (in that it was all robust bitrate and no functionality), but i wouldn't be so quick to write pentax off in the video department.

11-24-2018, 03:47 AM	#15
nzondlo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 186	Originally posted by punkrachmaninov in my humble opinion it is very likely that the pentax mirrorless full frame will sport the 36 version, which means it will probably shoot 24p video as well as anything else... do you really think pentax will ignore video forever? Has a real full-frame mirrorless been rumored anywhere else? I saw the hubrid viewfinder patent which seemed close, but nothing that specific. What do you know!