DPreview is the first WORST review website on the internet...

surfar · 12-28-2018, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by clackers

so that's a terrible result.

Its a terrible result for you to quote a poll from a place that seems to be an undesirable place on this Forum.

On one hand you condemn them, but on the other(when it suits YOU) you can use their poll....grand hippo

**clackers** · 12-28-2018, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by surfar

Its a terrible result for you to quote a poll from a place that seems to be an undesirable place on this Forum.

You asked for the data, I gave it.

I asked for proof that 4k video is anything in even your own life and you're empty handed and evasive.

surfar · 12-28-2018, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by clackers

evasive.

Sorry,no correspondence with hippos

hernandomdio · 12-28-2018, 05:59 AM

very interesting talk. With the intention of making it more productive, can you recommend other places for alternatives and better revisions?

**EssJayEff** · 12-28-2018, 06:13 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by UncleVanya

I really loved that site in the early days. It was an exceptionally fresh approach with rigorous methods. Sad to see whats happened over time. I can live with bias but the bias is not all that's changed.

I bought my very first Pentax, a K-5, largely based upon the DPR and DXOMARK reviews. I continue to visit DPR, DXOMARK less so, but for me it’s like anything else one reads—I try to understand the source’s perspective and biases and take the source for what it’s worth.

**UncleVanya** · 12-28-2018, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by EssJayEff

I bought my very first Pentax, a K-5, largely based upon DPR’s review and the DXOMARK reviews. I continue to visit DPR, DXOMARK less so, but for me it’s like anything else one reads—I try to understand the source’s perspective and biases and take the source for what it’s worth.

Me too.

normhead · 12-28-2018, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by hernandomdio

very interesting talk. With the intention of making it more productive, can you recommend other places for alternatives and better revisions?

It's been years since I took the Donkey Pee Reporter seriously. Imaging Resources are much more dependable and much less opinionated.

Things found on IR but not often mentioned elsewhere. Pentax has AF.s matched only by cameras over $5000
Test evaluations of Pixel Shfted images with resolution charts. They tend to show Pentax at its best, while the Donkey Pee Review tends to make up stuff that make it worse than it is. One consistantly designs every test. (IR). The Donkeys makes up tests to show how bad Pentax is that they do not apply to other systems. They only want to show Pentax is bad, even though in many cases others are worse or not much better. And no trick, like inventing tests just for Pentax, is too cheap for them.

https://www.imaging-resource.com

There are others who are less comprehensive but still have years of data on Pentax lenses.

Last edited by normhead; 12-28-2018 at 07:10 AM.

btnapa · 12-28-2018, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Catch my drift?

I LOVE this forum. You all make my day. Pentax should be so lucky to have diehard fans like you. If there ever was an award given for who defends their favorite brand best, it would be a gold for Pentax fans hands down. Most of us (mainly old timers like myself) cut our teeth on a K1000 or in my case a K1000 and an MX (black body at that, yey!) and we stayed or left and came back to our beloved PENTAX. I left for a long time but came back to my beloved PENTAX. Despite its many flaws, I love the images it produces. So who cares if we are not techy enough or have lots of holes in our proverbial shoes!

Yes, I do catch yous all drifts!! So now, would you pass the Grey Poupon please!

reh321 · 12-28-2018, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by swanlefitte

If I could turn off the accelerate sales and clicks chip it would be fine but it blurs detail and creates terrible signal to noise ratio with its baked in bias. They do videos though.

I'm not clear what camera you are talking about.

After a month I love my KP. Comparing detail in photo with detail I know should be there, I've detected no lost detail but 'adore' Noise Reduction at 25600 ISO. I have no reason to turn off 'accelerator'.
Iso 25600! - PentaxForums.com

**monochrome** · 12-28-2018, 07:56 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by btnapa

I LOVE this forum. You all make my day. Pentax should be so lucky to have diehard fans like you. If there ever was an award given for who defends their favorite brand best, it would be a gold for Pentax fans hands down. Most of us (mainly old timers like myself) cut our teeth on a K1000 or in my case a K1000 and an MX (black body at that, yey!) and we stayed or left and came back to our beloved PENTAX. I left for a long time but came back to my beloved PENTAX. Despite its many flaws, I love the images it produces. So who cares if we are not techy enough or have lots of holes in our proverbial shoes!

Yes, I do catch yous all drifts!! So now, would you pass the Grey Poupon please!

Dude. Take a step back and read what I wrote. I’m not a ‘diehard fan’ of anything. You are more likely a fanboy than I am (or Pentax loyalists are). I have no criticism of the features you want - I just don’t want them.

I don’t want the combination of features you want. They are not valuable to me. Pentax cameras have the combination of features and advancements I DO want. They are valuable to me. I don’t want touchscreens, 4K video, on-sensor PDAF ( that bakes every twelfth green pixel), small, weightless camera bodies or EVF’s. I intentionally choose not to use them. I’ve made a choice, a decision.

I am not a benighted old man. I didn’t start with a K1000. I use Nikon, and Contax film cameras; Panasonic video cameras; and I use an iPhone; each when the format, features and practical ergonomics are best suited to my objective.

If Pentax becomes just another mainline camera company then I can’t have what I want. How is that better for me and for Pentax?

swanlefitte · 12-28-2018, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by reh321

I'm not clear what camera you are talking about.

After a month I love my KP. Comparing detail in photo with detail I know should be there, I've detected no lost detail but 'adore' Noise Reduction at 25600 ISO. I have no reason to turn off 'accelerator'.
Iso 25600! - PentaxForums.com

I was talking about the website. I was using their points against the k1ii and applying these points about them.

normhead · 12-28-2018, 09:38 AM - **2 Likes**

Bottom Line
Don't read DPR.
Don't post DPR links.
Don't quote DPR.
Don't mention DPR on the forum.

We'll all be happier.
They don't do well reporting the segment of the market Pentax represents. Nothing against them per se (besides their demonstrably fraudulent reporting practices.) Just they don't see the world the way Pentax users sees the world.

Keep this thread on the front page for at least a week.

**clackers** · 12-28-2018, 11:54 AM - **1 Like**

Bump.

**BigMackCam** · 12-28-2018, 11:57 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by normhead

Don't read DPR.
Don't post DPR links.
Don't quote DPR.
Don't mention DPR on the forum.

We'll all be happier.

@normhead - "Winner, Best Post in Thread Category - PentaxForums Annual Awards, 2018..."

Not a Number · 12-28-2018, 12:20 PM - **3 Likes**

Maybe Adam should add DPR and DPReview to the dirty word filter

12-28-2018, 06:13 AM - 1 Like	#35
EssJayEff Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: near Saxapahaw, NC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 970	Originally posted by UncleVanya I really loved that site in the early days. It was an exceptionally fresh approach with rigorous methods. Sad to see whats happened over time. I can live with bias but the bias is not all that's changed. I bought my very first Pentax, a K-5, largely based upon the DPR and DXOMARK reviews. I continue to visit DPR, DXOMARK less so, but for me it’s like anything else one reads—I try to understand the source’s perspective and biases and take the source for what it’s worth. Last edited by EssJayEff; 12-28-2018 at 06:51 AM. Reason: clarity

12-28-2018, 07:56 AM - 1 Like	#40
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by btnapa I LOVE this forum. You all make my day. Pentax should be so lucky to have diehard fans like you. If there ever was an award given for who defends their favorite brand best, it would be a gold for Pentax fans hands down. Most of us (mainly old timers like myself) cut our teeth on a K1000 or in my case a K1000 and an MX (black body at that, yey!) and we stayed or left and came back to our beloved PENTAX. I left for a long time but came back to my beloved PENTAX. Despite its many flaws, I love the images it produces. So who cares if we are not techy enough or have lots of holes in our proverbial shoes! Yes, I do catch yous all drifts!! So now, would you pass the Grey Poupon please! Dude. Take a step back and read what I wrote. I’m not a ‘diehard fan’ of anything. You are more likely a fanboy than I am (or Pentax loyalists are). I have no criticism of the features you want - I just don’t want them. I don’t want the combination of features you want. They are not valuable to me. Pentax cameras have the combination of features and advancements I DO want. They are valuable to me. I don’t want touchscreens, 4K video, on-sensor PDAF ( that bakes every twelfth green pixel), small, weightless camera bodies or EVF’s. I intentionally choose not to use them. I’ve made a choice, a decision. I am not a benighted old man. I didn’t start with a K1000. I use Nikon, and Contax film cameras; Panasonic video cameras; and I use an iPhone; each when the format, features and practical ergonomics are best suited to my objective. If Pentax becomes just another mainline camera company then I can’t have what I want. How is that better for me and for Pentax? Last edited by monochrome; 12-28-2018 at 11:53 AM.

12-28-2018, 09:38 AM - 2 Likes	#42
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Bottom Line Don't read DPR. Don't post DPR links. Don't quote DPR. Don't mention DPR on the forum. We'll all be happier. They don't do well reporting the segment of the market Pentax represents. Nothing against them per se (besides their demonstrably fraudulent reporting practices.) Just they don't see the world the way Pentax users sees the world. Keep this thread on the front page for at least a week. Last edited by normhead; 12-28-2018 at 10:35 AM.

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12-28-2018, 03:23 AM	#31
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Originally posted by clackers so that's a terrible result. Its a terrible result for you to quote a poll from a place that seems to be an undesirable place on this Forum. On one hand you condemn them, but on the other(when it suits YOU) you can use their poll....grand hippo

12-28-2018, 03:46 AM	#32
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by surfar Its a terrible result for you to quote a poll from a place that seems to be an undesirable place on this Forum. You asked for the data, I gave it. I asked for proof that 4k video is anything in even your own life and you're empty handed and evasive.

12-28-2018, 04:03 AM	#33
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Originally posted by clackers evasive. Sorry,no correspondence with hippos

12-28-2018, 05:59 AM	#34
hernandomdio Junior Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 30	very interesting talk. With the intention of making it more productive, can you recommend other places for alternatives and better revisions?

12-28-2018, 06:16 AM	#36
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,445	Originally posted by EssJayEff I bought my very first Pentax, a K-5, largely based upon DPR’s review and the DXOMARK reviews. I continue to visit DPR, DXOMARK less so, but for me it’s like anything else one reads—I try to understand the source’s perspective and biases and take the source for what it’s worth. Me too.

12-28-2018, 06:52 AM	#37
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by hernandomdio very interesting talk. With the intention of making it more productive, can you recommend other places for alternatives and better revisions? It's been years since I took the Donkey Pee Reporter seriously. Imaging Resources are much more dependable and much less opinionated. Things found on IR but not often mentioned elsewhere. Pentax has AF.s matched only by cameras over $5000 Test evaluations of Pixel Shfted images with resolution charts. They tend to show Pentax at its best, while the Donkey Pee Review tends to make up stuff that make it worse than it is. One consistantly designs every test. (IR). The Donkeys makes up tests to show how bad Pentax is that they do not apply to other systems. They only want to show Pentax is bad, even though in many cases others are worse or not much better. And no trick, like inventing tests just for Pentax, is too cheap for them. https://www.imaging-resource.com There are others who are less comprehensive but still have years of data on Pentax lenses. Last edited by normhead; 12-28-2018 at 07:10 AM.

12-28-2018, 07:25 AM	#38
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,621	Originally posted by monochrome Catch my drift? I LOVE this forum. You all make my day. Pentax should be so lucky to have diehard fans like you. If there ever was an award given for who defends their favorite brand best, it would be a gold for Pentax fans hands down. Most of us (mainly old timers like myself) cut our teeth on a K1000 or in my case a K1000 and an MX (black body at that, yey!) and we stayed or left and came back to our beloved PENTAX. I left for a long time but came back to my beloved PENTAX. Despite its many flaws, I love the images it produces. So who cares if we are not techy enough or have lots of holes in our proverbial shoes! Yes, I do catch yous all drifts!! So now, would you pass the Grey Poupon please!

12-28-2018, 07:53 AM	#39
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,181	Originally posted by swanlefitte If I could turn off the accelerate sales and clicks chip it would be fine but it blurs detail and creates terrible signal to noise ratio with its baked in bias. They do videos though. I'm not clear what camera you are talking about. After a month I love my KP. Comparing detail in photo with detail I know should be there, I've detected no lost detail but 'adore' Noise Reduction at 25600 ISO. I have no reason to turn off 'accelerator'. Iso 25600! - PentaxForums.com

12-28-2018, 08:37 AM	#41
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	Originally posted by reh321 I'm not clear what camera you are talking about. After a month I love my KP. Comparing detail in photo with detail I know should be there, I've detected no lost detail but 'adore' Noise Reduction at 25600 ISO. I have no reason to turn off 'accelerator'. Iso 25600! - PentaxForums.com I was talking about the website. I was using their points against the k1ii and applying these points about them.

12-28-2018, 11:54 AM - 1 Like	#43
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Bump.

12-28-2018, 11:57 AM - 2 Likes	#44
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,681	Originally posted by normhead Don't read DPR. Don't post DPR links. Don't quote DPR. Don't mention DPR on the forum. We'll all be happier. @normhead - "Winner, Best Post in Thread Category - PentaxForums Annual Awards, 2018..."

12-28-2018, 12:20 PM - 3 Likes	#45
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Maybe Adam should add DPR and DPReview to the dirty word filter